Good and Bad points about New Zealand please.
Jul 10th 2008, 1:38 am
#106
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Re: Good and Bad points about New Zealand please.
Look - I had actually written this on my earlier post and deleted it as not being necessary but I can see now that it is. I used to have a chat every morning with a Korean girl at the bus stop. She's lovely and race never came into whether or not I spoke to her. BUT, another girl started using the stop. A Kiwi girl. And now this first girl won't talk. I have tried to draw her into conversations but she won't talk if the other girl is there. I thought maybe she was shy but it's not that - she just ignores us now. It's as if she could talk to me because as soon as I open my mouth it's obvious that I'm a foreigner but she's put up all these walls against the locals and won't give them a chance. I just find it really sad - but not uncommon. It happens everywhere. People are generally lazy I suppose you could say - if it's too difficult it goes into the 'too hard basket'.
The funny thing is (not) that what I say will have no effect whatsoever on anyone who has chosen to believe differently.
Last edited by BEVS; Jul 10th 2008 at 10:34 pm. Reason: By OP request as not relevant to this forum (and had a rush of blood to the head!)
Jul 10th 2008, 3:05 pm
#107
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Re: Good and Bad points about New Zealand please.
I've parsed the rules; the fuzzy application is the problem. The excerpts and links I posted are of people discussing their own experience, of both being harassed or of having an experience similar to Batty's but with an additional insight. But just because they are from ExEx, the board I co-admin, they're considered advertisements and deleted—even though ExEx has no ads and generates no income. It's hard to make sense of. I have a contractual relationship with an entertainment giant—yet I am probably allowed to link to content on any of the dozens of sites they own, or discuss their TV shows, movies or games, despite the fact that that would fit the bill for "advertisement" more than those ExEx citations.
However, please be aware that the copyright for all the Expat Exposed content belongs to myself and my co-runners, so I'm not in violation of Rule 7. Therefore, I'll re-post the excerpts only, without links.
But before that, treading carefully:
- The study BEVS mentions is rather ironically titled, since "68% [of all respondents felt Asians were] discriminated against ‘a great deal’ or ‘some’." So even though the rate is the lowest ever, that's in comparison to even higher percentages (70%? 80%?) in the past 7 years.
- According to the 2006 census projection, 67% of NZ's population identified as European in ethnicity
- Over 50% of Christchurch's adult Muslim migrants are unemployed despite many being highly trained professionals. One IT specialist has applied for 500 jobs in 4 years, and gotten 1 telephone interview.
http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/im...ts_equally.htm
- According to a study by the Department of Labour, 49% of Taiwanese migrants left within 5 years, compared to 18% of Americans.
http://www.dol.govt.nz/lmr/archive/m...-migration.asp
- A study by the Asia New Zealand foundation found that a "vast majority" of study participants had experienced discrimination.
http://www.asianz.org.nz/files/engag...fullreport.pdf
- One research found Asian uni students were turning away from teaching as a career partly because they feared racism. They'd experienced enough racism as students, or seen Asian teachers harassed, and so they were cutting themselves off an entire career path, and a shortage area one at that. Even non-Asian respondents stated that racism would be a problem for Asian teachers. If someone is willing to stay away from an entire career because of this trauma, it's not surprising to see other significant behavioral changes like a marked distrust of entire groups of people.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/thepress/4613295a24035.html
*I do not run the New Zealand Department of Labour, Flatrock, Asia New Zealand Foundation, Canterbury University, The Press or the Fairfax Group.
Now for those excerpts:
My point is that there is now a gulf of fear, bitterness and distrust between Asians and whites in NZ, and it is a problem for everyone in the country. Talent is being lost, lives being ruined, and dangerous enmities being consolidated. Admitting the problem and understanding how this happened is the first step towards a solution. The 'how' for white New Zealanders' difficulty with integration is constantly being talked about—it's a remote country, last of the British Empire holdouts, only opened the door to non-white immigrants in the 60s, etc.—but try to discuss how Chinese or Indian Kiwis got so integration-shy—"Because nobody will hire me after I was invited to the country and white people verbally abuse me weekly in the street"—and well, you get this thread if you're lucky, and the hate mail I get if you're not so lucky.
You can't hold individuals fully accountable in the moment as though no past and no context exist. Fine in theory, but neither practical nor fair. So as adults with some worldliness and compassion, we use our imagination and cut each other slack. If the old guy next door is being long-winded, you figure he's lonely. If the barista during morning coffer rush is a little terse, you figure she's had a busy shift serving some bitchy customers. If you're in a country with well-documented anti-Asian discrimination and Asian people seem to distrust you, you figure they've been burned a lot, and silently curse every bigot that brought this about.
After that, what? You can give up and walk away. You can talk to white Kiwis you know about how terrible it is that there's so much discrimination, because it's deprived you personally of a more friendly commute, talented colleagues, great teachers for your kids, the best society that NZ could be. You can keep trying to engage your Asian acquaintances, not just harder but smarter. Maybe a commuter bus isn't the best place—as a big city person, my reaction to people trying to chat me up on trains and buses is, "err, do I know you? If not, let me sleep/read/listen to my music". Either that or ("Damn, it's a Scientologist.") Aside from less stressful venues like schools, and workplaces, I can suggest volunteering at a place like ARMS. Relax, I'm not affiliated with the group, and they are a registered nonprofit.
Some of you are probably thinking, I'm not responsible for undoing damage other people did! No, but one way or another, you're the one stuck living with the damage—whether it's the pain of not being smiled back or worse. Think about that, before you turn away.
However, please be aware that the copyright for all the Expat Exposed content belongs to myself and my co-runners, so I'm not in violation of Rule 7. Therefore, I'll re-post the excerpts only, without links.
But before that, treading carefully:
- The study BEVS mentions is rather ironically titled, since "68% [of all respondents felt Asians were] discriminated against ‘a great deal’ or ‘some’." So even though the rate is the lowest ever, that's in comparison to even higher percentages (70%? 80%?) in the past 7 years.
- According to the 2006 census projection, 67% of NZ's population identified as European in ethnicity
- Over 50% of Christchurch's adult Muslim migrants are unemployed despite many being highly trained professionals. One IT specialist has applied for 500 jobs in 4 years, and gotten 1 telephone interview.
http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/im...ts_equally.htm
- According to a study by the Department of Labour, 49% of Taiwanese migrants left within 5 years, compared to 18% of Americans.
http://www.dol.govt.nz/lmr/archive/m...-migration.asp
- A study by the Asia New Zealand foundation found that a "vast majority" of study participants had experienced discrimination.
http://www.asianz.org.nz/files/engag...fullreport.pdf
- One research found Asian uni students were turning away from teaching as a career partly because they feared racism. They'd experienced enough racism as students, or seen Asian teachers harassed, and so they were cutting themselves off an entire career path, and a shortage area one at that. Even non-Asian respondents stated that racism would be a problem for Asian teachers. If someone is willing to stay away from an entire career because of this trauma, it's not surprising to see other significant behavioral changes like a marked distrust of entire groups of people.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/thepress/4613295a24035.html
*I do not run the New Zealand Department of Labour, Flatrock, Asia New Zealand Foundation, Canterbury University, The Press or the Fairfax Group.
Now for those excerpts:
Originally Posted by An American Kiwi living in Auckland
Sometimes when I approach a person of Asian descent I actually see them tense up in preparation for interaction with Whitey, and when they hear my accent they relax (I've heard Yanks are well known for their courtesy here, which is awesome) -- but it all really just makes me sick.
Originally Posted by Kiwi of ethnic Chinese descent
As a bit of background, I came here in my 6th Form year (around age 18 or so), and went through the education system here from 6th Form through undergrad to Masters.
[snip]
[I and other] Asian kids bullied, and attacked. Food and stones thrown at them. Graffitti telling the "gooks" to go home. That is just the tip of the iceberg and only at high school. Outside of the hallowed halls of learning, we have the bird flipped at us by cowards zooming by in cars (accompanied by the mandatory "gook go home" scream) while doing nothing more than walk down Queen Street in Auckland. And if it is late enough, the drive-by waterbombers emerge from under their rocks. Yep. You hear a car accelerate, and the next thing you know, you are wet. If you are lucky, it is just a water balloon. If not, you get crowned by a full Pump bottle. And then the mandatory catcall will then be heard, assuming you are still in any shape to hear it, that is.
[snip]
[I and other] Asian kids bullied, and attacked. Food and stones thrown at them. Graffitti telling the "gooks" to go home. That is just the tip of the iceberg and only at high school. Outside of the hallowed halls of learning, we have the bird flipped at us by cowards zooming by in cars (accompanied by the mandatory "gook go home" scream) while doing nothing more than walk down Queen Street in Auckland. And if it is late enough, the drive-by waterbombers emerge from under their rocks. Yep. You hear a car accelerate, and the next thing you know, you are wet. If you are lucky, it is just a water balloon. If not, you get crowned by a full Pump bottle. And then the mandatory catcall will then be heard, assuming you are still in any shape to hear it, that is.
Originally Posted by A Kiwi of European heritage in Nelson
"I was sitting outside with my dogs on a bench, and an older asian man in the next food shop came out and was smiling at my dogs. He couldnt speak much english, so our conversation was the odd word and mostly gesticulation and smiles as he liked the look of my dogs. He was there maybe 2 minutes, sitting in the sun with me, when out of the blue a drink bottle of juice came flying out of nowhere (well, a passing car, actually). It hit both of us, and sped off. I chased them but they were soon out of range and I didnt get the make or rego. I went back and he was ok - I was steaming wild, and he was shrugging his shoulders - obviously no surprise to him."
Originally Posted by A Kiwi of European heritage
Went to party my boss had put on one night and people I'd been working with for a few weeks all of a sudden were lurking in the corners chatting to themselves and looking over at me and my wife... my wife is Kiwi born and of mixed European -Asian ethnicity.
I was shocked. Now these colleagues seemed like educated liberal type people...
The next day I spoke to a bloke at work who wasn't at the party (he was originally a North Islander as well), he said "Oh, well I'm sorry to say that's a typically Christchurch reaction".
I was shocked. Now these colleagues seemed like educated liberal type people...
The next day I spoke to a bloke at work who wasn't at the party (he was originally a North Islander as well), he said "Oh, well I'm sorry to say that's a typically Christchurch reaction".
Originally Posted by Ethnic Chinese migrant to NZ
As an ethnic Chinese, I have experienced the feelings that Cam and Wintersmith described here. As part of my job, I work closely with many government agencies. I am SICK of the different treatment I get: the hostile stare, the impatient sigh, the surly reply, sometimes they even shout at me! And yes I am very sure I am racially discriminated because I see other customers being treated differently! It is extremely humiliating to continue a conversation with someone who displays all the above behaviour and made you feel like you are nothing. In my entire life I never had to put up with such behaviour. I really feel like smacking them sometimes! However since it is work related, I have to remain professional so I have to endure all these behaviour and maintain my composure.
Originally Posted by Wintersmith
After a particularly demoralizing day, I found myself facing a young Asian clerk with accented but fluent English at a burger place. The store wasn't crowded, and on impulse I asked her how long she had been in the country. She had come over from Guangdong 5 years ago. Did she feel that people here were—kind of racist? She scrunched up her face a little and nodded, reluctantly. "People yell things, say things all the time. It happened on my first day in New Zealand and it made me cry. But you get used to it." She looked about 17, but was probably 24. "I don't even notice it anymore."
Originally Posted by Kiwi of ethnic Chinese descent
But the real question is, how does that affect that segment of society that is subject to it day in and day out?
Relating from personal experience, I find it very wearying. [snip] It is a caustic environment. You are told in so many subtle and not so subtle ways that you are not good enough, that you are inferior, that you simply cannot touch the majestic, strong, smart and incredibly God-like stature and intellect of the lowest of Kiwis. All because of some accident of birth that leaves you with the wrong coloured skin, or wrong birthplace. Your self-confidence, your pride in yourself and your abilities, your very soul, all ground to dust, micron by micron, under the relentless Kiwi Way.
Somedays, you just feel like Oliver Twist: "Please sir, may I have some more?" And you expect the same reaction from the Kiwis as Oliver got.
[snip]
Some people here call me, "A sad angry bitter little person." In many respects, they are correct, only not in the way they probably thought.
I am a small guy. I am Chinese. What did you expect? King Kong?
I am bitter. I have endured the Kiwi Way for more than a decade. For one third of my life I have been told that I am only worthy of picking the crumbs dropped from the feast tables of Godzone, and that I should be grateful for it. I have been told that I am inferior because of some infinitesimal difference in genetics. A difference so small that modern science has not discovered it yet...
Relating from personal experience, I find it very wearying. [snip] It is a caustic environment. You are told in so many subtle and not so subtle ways that you are not good enough, that you are inferior, that you simply cannot touch the majestic, strong, smart and incredibly God-like stature and intellect of the lowest of Kiwis. All because of some accident of birth that leaves you with the wrong coloured skin, or wrong birthplace. Your self-confidence, your pride in yourself and your abilities, your very soul, all ground to dust, micron by micron, under the relentless Kiwi Way.
Somedays, you just feel like Oliver Twist: "Please sir, may I have some more?" And you expect the same reaction from the Kiwis as Oliver got.
[snip]
Some people here call me, "A sad angry bitter little person." In many respects, they are correct, only not in the way they probably thought.
I am a small guy. I am Chinese. What did you expect? King Kong?
I am bitter. I have endured the Kiwi Way for more than a decade. For one third of my life I have been told that I am only worthy of picking the crumbs dropped from the feast tables of Godzone, and that I should be grateful for it. I have been told that I am inferior because of some infinitesimal difference in genetics. A difference so small that modern science has not discovered it yet...
You can't hold individuals fully accountable in the moment as though no past and no context exist. Fine in theory, but neither practical nor fair. So as adults with some worldliness and compassion, we use our imagination and cut each other slack. If the old guy next door is being long-winded, you figure he's lonely. If the barista during morning coffer rush is a little terse, you figure she's had a busy shift serving some bitchy customers. If you're in a country with well-documented anti-Asian discrimination and Asian people seem to distrust you, you figure they've been burned a lot, and silently curse every bigot that brought this about.
After that, what? You can give up and walk away. You can talk to white Kiwis you know about how terrible it is that there's so much discrimination, because it's deprived you personally of a more friendly commute, talented colleagues, great teachers for your kids, the best society that NZ could be. You can keep trying to engage your Asian acquaintances, not just harder but smarter. Maybe a commuter bus isn't the best place—as a big city person, my reaction to people trying to chat me up on trains and buses is, "err, do I know you? If not, let me sleep/read/listen to my music". Either that or ("Damn, it's a Scientologist.") Aside from less stressful venues like schools, and workplaces, I can suggest volunteering at a place like ARMS. Relax, I'm not affiliated with the group, and they are a registered nonprofit.
Some of you are probably thinking, I'm not responsible for undoing damage other people did! No, but one way or another, you're the one stuck living with the damage—whether it's the pain of not being smiled back or worse. Think about that, before you turn away.
Jul 11th 2008, 12:47 am
#108
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Re: Good and Bad points about New Zealand please.
I've parsed the rules; the fuzzy application is the problem. The excerpts and links I posted are of people discussing their own experience, of both being harassed or of having an experience similar to Batty's but with an additional insight. But just because they are from ExEx, the board I co-admin, they're considered advertisements and deleted—even though ExEx has no ads and generates no income. It's hard to make sense of. I have a contractual relationship with an entertainment giant—yet I am probably allowed to link to content on any of the dozens of sites they own, or discuss their TV shows, movies or games, despite the fact that that would fit the bill for "advertisement" more than those ExEx citations.
Jul 11th 2008, 1:07 am
#109
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Re: Good and Bad points about New Zealand please.
"racism" is what people already living in a country feel about about a group of outsiders that they feel should not be in that country. It is a completely natural feeling, and everyone in the world harbours the same feelings. In advanced tolerant societies these feelings are less. These outsiders tend to come from poorer backward countries and have much stronger "Racist" feelings themselves.
It is the government / big business who have decided to import these outsiders normally to keep the price of local labour down or to do jobs that locals will not do for the same money. If the number of these outsiders increases dramatically the country will become like the country of these outsiders. Local people are not consulted about immigration and that is why they have such thoughts. The local people are the ones who know what is best for their own country ! They know who fits in and who should not be there.
Importing outside people who are never going to fit into the local society is simply a recipe for disaster. If one of the home countries of outsiders groups are hostile to the local country, the outsiders from that outside country living in the local society will contain terrorists too
That's my take anyway
It is the government / big business who have decided to import these outsiders normally to keep the price of local labour down or to do jobs that locals will not do for the same money. If the number of these outsiders increases dramatically the country will become like the country of these outsiders. Local people are not consulted about immigration and that is why they have such thoughts. The local people are the ones who know what is best for their own country ! They know who fits in and who should not be there.
Importing outside people who are never going to fit into the local society is simply a recipe for disaster. If one of the home countries of outsiders groups are hostile to the local country, the outsiders from that outside country living in the local society will contain terrorists too
That's my take anyway
Last edited by brussels_sprout; Jul 11th 2008 at 1:35 am.
Jul 11th 2008, 3:40 am
#111
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,787
Re: Good and Bad points about New Zealand please.
I live in Tauranga area and love it. Don't know if I'll still love it come tourist season.
NZ has a lot to offer it depends on what you like, quiet and rural or hussle and bussle.
House prices high (supposedly dropping)
Food prices and lack of variety
Crusty rolls are not actually crusty but soft
Minimal choice of pate and cheese - one aspect I do miss is cheese and pate
Lack choice in many areas of retail (but I don't find this a problem)
No central heating or house insulation as stardand - hot houses in summer and cold damp houses in winter. Can work around this.
Wages lower
You do need to be able to drive, hate to generalise but kiwi's are bad drivers but you may not think so having spent so long in France.
Have heard no complaints about schools.
Refreshingly politically incorrect, which is a big bonus as far as I am concerned- I can't believe what I hear on the TV and Radio. Mary Whitehouse would have a field day. Makes me both laugh and cringe at the same time.
People re-cycle household goods
Quieter pace of life, but not everyone likes this. I do
Roads are not congested.
It's the shortest day tomorrow and I got 3 loads of heavy items washed and dried outside no problem.
I could go on. I personally feel the Pro's outweigh the Cons.
Pauline
NZ has a lot to offer it depends on what you like, quiet and rural or hussle and bussle.
House prices high (supposedly dropping)
Food prices and lack of variety
Crusty rolls are not actually crusty but soft
Minimal choice of pate and cheese - one aspect I do miss is cheese and pate
Lack choice in many areas of retail (but I don't find this a problem)
No central heating or house insulation as stardand - hot houses in summer and cold damp houses in winter. Can work around this.
Wages lower
You do need to be able to drive, hate to generalise but kiwi's are bad drivers but you may not think so having spent so long in France.
Have heard no complaints about schools.
Refreshingly politically incorrect, which is a big bonus as far as I am concerned- I can't believe what I hear on the TV and Radio. Mary Whitehouse would have a field day. Makes me both laugh and cringe at the same time.
People re-cycle household goods
Quieter pace of life, but not everyone likes this. I do
Roads are not congested.
It's the shortest day tomorrow and I got 3 loads of heavy items washed and dried outside no problem.
I could go on. I personally feel the Pro's outweigh the Cons.
Pauline
House prices are still cehaper than the Uk. I live in Wanganui,
dont find the food variety limited thinks they have more choice than the UK pate and cheese, dont know where you shopped in th Uk harrods???
who cares aBout crusty rolls for god sake! more choice of better fresh breads and rolls.
my husband has a good wage for NZ standards not all kiwis are low waged thanks...and we are british btw
I dont drive I walk and get taxis or cycle dont need to drive...only if your lazy
my house is fine in winter and summer, and you can get central heating, but is expensive. we have a heat pump and thats good...
dont buy a villa, more cold.
we like it here, just remember stop comparing to the UK...its not the Uk, think people keep comparing too much.
Jul 11th 2008, 3:45 am
#112
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Re: Good and Bad points about New Zealand please.
Well, I have to say that NZ is nothing like France in my extensive experience.
France is big, has history and culture and is a huge patchwork of villages and country roads. It is in the centre of civilisation.
By comparison, NZ is none of that. Both countries play rugby , but thats where the similarity ends for me.
Maybe you could tell us what part of France you come from ?
France is big, has history and culture and is a huge patchwork of villages and country roads. It is in the centre of civilisation.
By comparison, NZ is none of that. Both countries play rugby , but thats where the similarity ends for me.
Maybe you could tell us what part of France you come from ?
Jul 11th 2008, 3:52 am
#113
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Re: Good and Bad points about New Zealand please.
I say make up your own mind...I didnt look for advice on here before i came to New Zealand...I just came...I like it intend to stay for at least 5 years then who knows...but im not going back to the Lovely Uk...
and France full of too many french...lol kiddin kiddin oh and british
Jul 11th 2008, 4:01 am
#115
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Re: Good and Bad points about New Zealand please.
So in summary NZ is full of poorly built houses full of racist people with a badly stocked pantry and if you don't like it go home Johnny Englishman 
I’d say come to NZ if you can afford a nice place (with insulation for god’s sake), like the outdoors and are willing to go the extra mile to be sociable and make friends. Also depending on where you’re from most likely a more relaxed way of life.
Don’t come if you like to travel, affordable electronics, high speed internet, good TV and having a Local Pub culture.
Oh and on a personal note for the blokes bring a British girl, Kiwis chicks just don’t seem to measure up
I’d say come to NZ if you can afford a nice place (with insulation for god’s sake), like the outdoors and are willing to go the extra mile to be sociable and make friends. Also depending on where you’re from most likely a more relaxed way of life.
Don’t come if you like to travel, affordable electronics, high speed internet, good TV and having a Local Pub culture.
Oh and on a personal note for the blokes bring a British girl, Kiwis chicks just don’t seem to measure up
Jul 11th 2008, 4:07 am
#116
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Re: Good and Bad points about New Zealand please.
I can empathise with those views, particularly "I find NZ terribly boring and bland, a whole heap of nothingness at the end of the planet and detached from the world. "
To counteract that problem, I think you really need a location/lifestyle which is going to enable you to get out on the water or into the wild with ease. Or travel the country and play golf. If thats not your thing, then you may
struggle here.
To counteract that problem, I think you really need a location/lifestyle which is going to enable you to get out on the water or into the wild with ease. Or travel the country and play golf. If thats not your thing, then you may
struggle here.
where i live I go to the cinema. theatre Art Galleries, been to two Concerts here, been to see Korn and going to see panic at the Disco with my girls....
the people are friendly, not snobs like cough cough some enlgish people.
have played golf for the first time in my life , my friends are kiwis who have a great sense of humour and like to drink...and not whinge
Fele like im still on holiday which is not a bad thing, been here 1 year now, have a huge house, with a huge garden....
the Tv is not so bad, we have sky... we get uk tv which has Mighty boosh, my family, little Britain, Holby City, Desperate housewives Cold Feet...etc etc...
some good nz tv also like C4, which has roll the Dia, which is great and music which my daughter likes to watch
Eastenders and Coronation Street is behind...but we get them
get lots of American programmes but they are ok like the Office, the loop, Jackass, Rock of Love..
its not the Uk...but I dont feel its A LOT DIFFERENT...
well yes it is dont see any CHAVS OR HOODIE gangs which is a good thing, road rage, foul mouthed fat single parents living of the state.. never seen any gangs and wanganui is supposed to be full of them.
dont see any vandalised shops, phone boxes, parks... btw or youths hanging around drinking....
a short drive and your in the beautiful countryside....
went for a girls weekend away in Wellington it was still buzzing at 4 am in the morning, did not feel threatened, the nightclubs are free to get in also...
just showing you its not all quiet.... like france
Jul 11th 2008, 4:20 am
#118
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Re: Good and Bad points about New Zealand please.
So in summary NZ is full of poorly built houses full of racist people with a badly stocked pantry and if you don't like it go home Johnny Englishman
I’d say come to NZ if you can afford a nice place (with insulation for god’s sake), like the outdoors and are willing to go the extra mile to be sociable and make friends. Also depending on where you’re from most likely a more relaxed way of life.
Don’t come if you like to travel, affordable electronics, high speed internet, good TV and having a Local Pub culture.
Oh and on a personal note for the blokes bring a British girl, Kiwis chicks just don’t seem to measure up
I’d say come to NZ if you can afford a nice place (with insulation for god’s sake), like the outdoors and are willing to go the extra mile to be sociable and make friends. Also depending on where you’re from most likely a more relaxed way of life.
Don’t come if you like to travel, affordable electronics, high speed internet, good TV and having a Local Pub culture.
Oh and on a personal note for the blokes bring a British girl, Kiwis chicks just don’t seem to measure up
Im not mad on the outdoors, still shop and go out to nice trendy bars, better than pubs... btw
done traveling, around europe, gets boring after a while still hoping to go to Australia, and parts of NZ btw
my Internet is fine btw im on myspace and you tube and frequently watch vids, so dont know what your on???
the Tvs fine dont make a big deal of it...
you sound like the typical pub going bloke that I wanted to get away from anyway lol
no wonder the kiwi girls find you NOT INTERESTING and the british girls btw also...
IT IS NOT ENGLAND...WISH PEOPLEWOULD SOPT WHINGING... and get on with it..
Jul 11th 2008, 11:44 am
#119
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Re: Good and Bad points about New Zealand please.
Getting back to the general topic, I do want to recommend people (either current or perspective migrants) check out Auckland Regional Migrant Services (ARMS). They have a variety of services including professional workshops and individual consultations. It's also a great place to volunteer if you are looking to learn more about the issues that were raised on this thread, wanting to form diverse community ties, or add some "Kiwi experience" to your résumé.
Jul 11th 2008, 2:02 pm
#120
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Re: Good and Bad points about New Zealand please.
I don't want to take this thread off topic, but I had to correct you, it certainly wasn't the first time I've removed links to Ex Ex in your posts. As to signatures, they are not 'approved' beforehand. Any member is welcome to put a link to their site in their BE signature.