The child with AIDS thing
May 10th 2012, 2:25 pm
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Re: The child with AIDS thing
The hepatitides are approx 300 x more contagious than HIV, from memory.
May 10th 2012, 3:07 pm
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Re: The child with AIDS thing
And nor for that matter was there homophobia.
But like I've said in other post elsewhere, I certainly lived in a nice little place, nice neighbours, no crime, good weather (mostly) sir gaerfyrddin, ble wyt ti
May 10th 2012, 3:14 pm
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May 10th 2012, 4:19 pm
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Re: The child with AIDS thing
True enough.
I shouldn't get so defensive, I realise that. It's ok (from my view) for you guys to slag off. But if you read through the thread, watch how it develops from a discussion about this HIV thing into a connection with how 'they' (ie kiwis as the third person) are not friendly, homophobic and racist.
I think the reaction of some of the parents is understandable, for what it's worth. Every parent wants to make sure their kids are safe. Can they be assured that if an HIV+ kid is playing in a playground, cuts themselves and bleeds, and another kid does the same, and the blood from the HIV kid is mixed into the blood of the other kid, that this is 100% safe? If they can't, as a parent, I would be inclined to think about taking the kid to another playcentre. It's just human nature, I think. Not saying it's right. But I can understand it.
I shouldn't get so defensive, I realise that. It's ok (from my view) for you guys to slag off. But if you read through the thread, watch how it develops from a discussion about this HIV thing into a connection with how 'they' (ie kiwis as the third person) are not friendly, homophobic and racist.
I think the reaction of some of the parents is understandable, for what it's worth. Every parent wants to make sure their kids are safe. Can they be assured that if an HIV+ kid is playing in a playground, cuts themselves and bleeds, and another kid does the same, and the blood from the HIV kid is mixed into the blood of the other kid, that this is 100% safe? If they can't, as a parent, I would be inclined to think about taking the kid to another playcentre. It's just human nature, I think. Not saying it's right. But I can understand it.
May 10th 2012, 4:57 pm
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Re: The child with AIDS thing
I think as NZ has a small number of HIV infections, there is still the unjustified paranoia regarding people living with HIV. Couple that with the fact the preschool is in Northland, which is NZ poorest region
http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...ting-pig-slops
Which makes it look third world in some respects.
I have been through rural Northland quite a bit and when you look at some of the communities there, the word "feral" springs to mind.
So I suspect some of this has to do with the attitude shown to the family.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...ting-pig-slops
Which makes it look third world in some respects.
I have been through rural Northland quite a bit and when you look at some of the communities there, the word "feral" springs to mind.
So I suspect some of this has to do with the attitude shown to the family.
May 10th 2012, 5:00 pm
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Re: The child with AIDS thing
Often wonder why THEY stay here....
May 10th 2012, 5:21 pm
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Re: The child with AIDS thing
Really? I can't imagine it happening. Not for a long long time, not knowingly anyway. The number of politicians in the UK (same in many other places but they're not being discussed) who have been hounded out of public office because some grubby media hack has 'outed' them or found some other 'salicious' information about is obscene. I certainly can't see the day that an openly gay person will ever be Prime Minister. Not going to happen.
May 10th 2012, 7:12 pm
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Re: The child with AIDS thing
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We are entitled to our discussion here on this board. I realise you, personally, don't seem to like that much, as you do try your best to squish such a thread but you know what, we are all of us entitled to our view points, whether or not you think we are entitled to & we will discuss and put our points of view across.
After all we live here also . Have our NZ life too. Our experiences , contributions . Our viewpoints are just as valid as yours.
You never know. Perhaps change can happen through listening to others instead of your type of instant condemnation for things you don't like to read. .
So instead of 'they' (ie meaning those born in NZ, somehow distinct from anyone else living here), how about thinking as 'us' (ie everyone living here)
May 10th 2012, 7:15 pm
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Re: The child with AIDS thing
I'm pretty sure HazeandSteve's remark or point about THEY was a tongue in cheek reference to the born and raised New Zealanders that can do without being blamed (again) for small minded parochial attitudes that exist in the expat community too.
May 10th 2012, 9:47 pm
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Re: The child with AIDS thing
Oh really. Read more . Understand. Judge less .
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We are entitled to our discussion here on this board. I realise you, personally, don't seem to like that much, as you do try your best to squish such a thread but you know what, we are all of us entitled to our view points, whether or not you think we are entitled to & we will discuss and put our points of view across.
After all we live here also . Have our NZ life too. Our experiences , contributions . Our viewpoints are just as valid as yours.
You never know. Perhaps change can happen through listening to others instead of your type of instant condemnation for things you don't like to read. .
Without detracting from the thread , I really , really wish this were so. One land . One nation. All of us in it together. Bit like for my family and the multi-national families I grew up with. Sadly - it ain't like that mate. Was a shock at first but I've got it now. It is all kinds of sorts of them and us which , IMHO, holds NZ back..
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We are entitled to our discussion here on this board. I realise you, personally, don't seem to like that much, as you do try your best to squish such a thread but you know what, we are all of us entitled to our view points, whether or not you think we are entitled to & we will discuss and put our points of view across.
After all we live here also . Have our NZ life too. Our experiences , contributions . Our viewpoints are just as valid as yours.
You never know. Perhaps change can happen through listening to others instead of your type of instant condemnation for things you don't like to read. .
Without detracting from the thread , I really , really wish this were so. One land . One nation. All of us in it together. Bit like for my family and the multi-national families I grew up with. Sadly - it ain't like that mate. Was a shock at first but I've got it now. It is all kinds of sorts of them and us which , IMHO, holds NZ back..
May 10th 2012, 10:32 pm
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Re: The child with AIDS thing
I don't blame New Zealanders generally, it's the thick and ignorant people.
Every society has thick people but since we invented machines to pull turnips their place in society has been in doubt. They might look like ordinary people, they walk like ordinary people (though astute observers will note knuckles hang much lower) but most worryingly they have also learned to talk like ordinary people. This I believe is leading to confusion as the media mistake the opinions of thick people as worthwhile printing and somehow representative of the ordinary folk. Indeed given the previously inexplicable popularity of Campbell live and Close Up we might hypothesis that in some primitive way the thick people are capable of complex humanesque emotions.
I can't help but think we need to do something with them that stops them mixing with the general population and breeding with each other. Like a kind of park/sanctuary where they can be held and studied until such time as they can be released back into their native habitat bountiful with that rubberised padding they put on children's play areas and less any sharp objects.
Sure, it's easy for us to judge them by our human standards but to them the GC might seem like a documentary.
Do you see what I'm getting at?
If we spent more time studying the thick people we might be more enlightened for it. It gives you a new appreciation doesn't it.
Every society has thick people but since we invented machines to pull turnips their place in society has been in doubt. They might look like ordinary people, they walk like ordinary people (though astute observers will note knuckles hang much lower) but most worryingly they have also learned to talk like ordinary people. This I believe is leading to confusion as the media mistake the opinions of thick people as worthwhile printing and somehow representative of the ordinary folk. Indeed given the previously inexplicable popularity of Campbell live and Close Up we might hypothesis that in some primitive way the thick people are capable of complex humanesque emotions.
I can't help but think we need to do something with them that stops them mixing with the general population and breeding with each other. Like a kind of park/sanctuary where they can be held and studied until such time as they can be released back into their native habitat bountiful with that rubberised padding they put on children's play areas and less any sharp objects.
Sure, it's easy for us to judge them by our human standards but to them the GC might seem like a documentary.
Do you see what I'm getting at?
If we spent more time studying the thick people we might be more enlightened for it. It gives you a new appreciation doesn't it.
May 10th 2012, 10:36 pm
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Re: The child with AIDS thing
Difficulty is, Charismatic, that while I am very clear on who the thick people are. They are also very clear and would very easily put me, and possibly you too, in the sanctuary.
You can all be reassured that life will be a lot easier when I am running my benevolent dictatorship.
I'm trying really hard not to be pulled in to the racism thread drift...think HIV Ms Kina, think HIV
You can all be reassured that life will be a lot easier when I am running my benevolent dictatorship.
I'm trying really hard not to be pulled in to the racism thread drift...think HIV Ms Kina, think HIV
May 10th 2012, 10:41 pm
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Re: The child with AIDS thing
You took the words right out of my mouth.
May 10th 2012, 10:43 pm
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I don't blame New Zealanders generally, it's the thick and ignorant people.
Every society has thick people but since we invented machines to pull turnips their place in society has been in doubt. They might look like ordinary people, they walk like ordinary people (though astute observers will note knuckles hang much lower) but most worryingly they have also learned to talk like ordinary people. This I believe is leading to confusion as the media mistake the opinions of thick people as worthwhile printing and somehow representative of the ordinary folk. Indeed given the previously inexplicable popularity of Campbell live and Close Up we might hypothesis that in some primitive way the thick people are capable of complex humanesque emotions.
I can't help but think we need to do something with them that stops them mixing with the general population and breeding with each other. Like a kind of park/sanctuary where they can be held and studied until such time as they can be released back into their native habitat bountiful with that rubberised padding they put on children's play areas and less any sharp objects.
Sure, it's easy for us to judge them by our human standards but to them the GC might seem like a documentary.
Do you see what I'm getting at?
If we spent more time studying the thick people we might be more enlightened for it. It gives you a new appreciation doesn't it.
Every society has thick people but since we invented machines to pull turnips their place in society has been in doubt. They might look like ordinary people, they walk like ordinary people (though astute observers will note knuckles hang much lower) but most worryingly they have also learned to talk like ordinary people. This I believe is leading to confusion as the media mistake the opinions of thick people as worthwhile printing and somehow representative of the ordinary folk. Indeed given the previously inexplicable popularity of Campbell live and Close Up we might hypothesis that in some primitive way the thick people are capable of complex humanesque emotions.
I can't help but think we need to do something with them that stops them mixing with the general population and breeding with each other. Like a kind of park/sanctuary where they can be held and studied until such time as they can be released back into their native habitat bountiful with that rubberised padding they put on children's play areas and less any sharp objects.
Sure, it's easy for us to judge them by our human standards but to them the GC might seem like a documentary.
Do you see what I'm getting at?
If we spent more time studying the thick people we might be more enlightened for it. It gives you a new appreciation doesn't it.
are you for real ?
