TraceyW

Oh, buy this man a pint

alliekate

Bil.

I do understand where you are coming from, and you have some very good points to raise.

It's just that this forum is for people who are out here who (as in our case) are experiencing extreme difficulties and are desperate to get home - mostly to family. My dad is very ill and our dog died in quarantine. Is that enough ?

If we are making a mistake returning, that is our problem, and we will deal with it.

I wish you luck on your move to Spain, and hope you "live the dream". We wanted to "live the dream" too, but our lives have become shite, and I for one need this forum for support, not to be told how shit the UK is (I lived there for 38 years so I have a good idea).

No offence meant, but please think of others who are thousands of miles from home and need this forum for support.

A x

rugbymatt

Thought you lot would like to see a few more images.

TraceyW

Oh let's even it up and have some cold, winter scenes too shall we?

TraceyW

Stunning isn't it? I for one didn't really appreciate what was around me when I lived there. Too busy dreaming of warmer cliates/adventures/living the dream DOH!

alliekate

Thanks so much for the pics

Yes the UK is beautiful, and I now appreciate what I have left behind (I did before I left tbh). Yes there are shit areas, but there are stunning areas too.

I will post some of my Lakes piccies on here to prove it - but I cannot post the friendliness of the people, the sense of humour, the love of family and close friends.

God, do I sound homesick ?

rugbymatt

Its what I have always said...........if you are leaving the UK/your homeland for a "better life" and are running away from negatives then the likely hood is that your new life is going to fail.

If you are leaving for an adventure, a life experience, then its going to generally be a good experience.


People need to be a little more honest with themselves as to why they make the decision, and what the experience was like for them.

pommybird

Do you know I was only thinking about him yesterday and the fact that he'd disappeared from BE - I think you maybe right - very similar style of writing if I remember correctly......and still as dull as ever!!

rugbymatt

He is gone, not forgotten and spreading his shite elsewhere!


For the record, he is still as stupid as ever.

Backhomeatlast

Bil, where do you live because I can tell you that except for last year all the years I have been back from oz the summers have been warm and sunny and have stretched well into october, I reckon you live under a rock like a big fat moaning croaking toad, .

pommybird

Ah right - do you know if he ever made it to Spain - got the impression there was a lot of talking about it but wondered if it was ever gonna happen.

rugbymatt

The house is bought, and I think he is out there now...........not sure when he is moving permanent like.

Backhomeatlast

Bil you do realise the dismal picture and the fact that reciprocal medical treatment in Spain, like France will soon be withdrawn for many expats, and those living outside the U.K without having an address in the U.K, will also be unable to claim National Health Service medical treatment when returning to the U.K.
or many of these Brits who thought they had found their new promised land will not have the means or sufficient capital, even if they manage to sell their Spanish homes to return to the United Kingdom and purchase comparable properties to which they sold before leaving the U.K.

Will we see a reverse of past trends with Brits returning from the Costa's to the U.K and being forced to live with relatives and eventually become a burden on them? Some will not even be able to afford medical treatment or pay for the care in old age.
Will cost you a fortune for a family of 4

bil

Actually, it's more of a suggestion. Did you go there with rose tinted specs? If so, be very careful that you don't come back with them on too.

I see posts from several people who have returned and been deeply sorry that they did.

I just feel that if there is one thing worse than going out and having to come back, it's coming back and then realising that you should have stayed.

Don't get me wrong, I am deeply sorry for people who have seen their dreams evaporate. I'm just trying to add a splash of reality.

alliekate, I'm really sorry for your problems. If all you want is to be told everything is perfect, fine. I was trying to add a note of reality. I do realise that that is never valued. I really hope you manage to sort stuff out. Losing your dog must have been terrible on top of everything else. At least you are bright enough to realise I am making some valid points, so with luck your return home will be successful.

Backhome, I pay attention to the weather, because people were always telling me I exaggerated. So, being quite anal, I kept records, and no, I do not exaggerate. Obviously I live in a hellhole of bad weather and you are getting all my good weather. Either that, or you are remembering only the nice days. Fat moaning toad? Nope, the weight loss programme I'm on is working wonders, and I am down to a small size Tshirt well within my BMI index.

Problems in Spain? Damn straight there are. Will they get worse? You bet! So, the intelligent person will make allowances for it, having health insurance, and seeing that their money will last, or getting a good enough job. Oh yes, learning the language and integrating. That helps too.

I would agree that there will always be the chance of something unexpected crawling out of the undergrowth and biting you on the bum, but if you have planned for everything predictable, at least you have done all you can.

You are posting nothing new. For years I have known that 70% of all movers, whether within the UK or away from it end up coming home.

What are the danger signs?

If you are very attached to your place of birth, football team etc etc.
If you are very patriotic, the pound is sacred etc etc.
If you have massive family ties.
If you are addicted to English food, and dislike anything foreign.
If you don't speak the language.
If you aren't interested in integrating.
If you have more English friends than foreign in that country.
If you have no guaranteed income to cover everything
If you are moving to an Englih Urb or its equivalent.

Every one of those will shove your risk of returning up, and the more apply to you the more each one increases the risk.

Now how many people bother to run a risk assessment on their move, either in or out of the country?

Emigrants are penalised because as soon as you have been 2 years away from the UK you lose all your National health entitlements, even if you have paid in for 40 years, and worse, you will have to go back to the UK and stay there for at least 6 months before you are considered for it again. Meanwhile, any immigrant from the otherside of the world who wasn't born there and contributes nothing is entitled to walk in and fill their boots.

That's probably another discussion tho.

Backhomeatlast

If you are very attached to your place of birth, football team etc etc.
NO.

If you are very patriotic, the pound is sacred etc etc.
NO

If you have massive family ties.
NO

If you are addicted to English food, and dislike anything foreign.
NO

If you don't speak the language.
Aussie

If you aren't interested in integrating.
Try intergrating with ossies

If you have more English friends than foreign in that country.
erm,

If you have no guaranteed income to cover everything
NO

If you are moving to an Englih Urb or its equivalent.
NO



just think the UK is a great place to live after 2 years in Oz