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kitmax Dec 5th 2011 1:29 am

Re: Making A Final Decision
 

Originally Posted by sallysimmons (Post 9769552)
For me here in the US, feeling like an outsider is ...
  • Sitting around like piffy while people talk passionately about American football when you think it's the stupidest thing you've ever seen.
  • Having random strangers say "I'll pray for you" any time something bad happens instead of "sorry to hear that, mate."
  • Making a sarky joke and then realizing everyone thought you were being cruel.
  • Watching a Republican Presidential debate for more than 1 minute and wondering if the whole place has gone mad.
  • Living in a country where the governor of a major state thinks an appropriate response to a drought is a "national day of prayer."
  • Seeing people carry guns as if they were toys.
  • Smiling politely and pretending that you think Saturday Night Live is even remotely amusing.
  • Sitting around with work colleagues talking about 'the good old days' and realizing you don't share any experiences or memories.
  • Trying to make friends - and sometimes succeeding - but never quite connecting all the way.
  • Talking to people who think it's perfectly reasonable to have fighter jets fly over every time the national anthem is sung at a sports event.
  • Watching the world cup but then having no one to discuss it with afterwards.
  • Wanting fish and chips and only being able to get McDonalds or Wendy's
  • Asking for a cup of tea and getting some weak brown water with a slice of lemon
  • Having every stranger who meets you think you love the royal family (or know them personally!) just because you're a Brit

You hit the nail on the head, it's the same list my wife and I have, we are really close to start the process of moving back home, were in a small town in Wisconsin so that list just grows and becomes more real every day, i'm pretty sure they call us legal Aliens because that's exactly how it feels, unfortunately my 16 and 12 year olds love it here and even put on bad accents to fit it so will be Mr Unpopular when i try to get them back to reality

Englishman43 Dec 5th 2011 4:17 am

Re: Making A Final Decision
 

Originally Posted by sallysimmons (Post 9769552)
Have you ever lived abroad for any length of time? I suspect not because if you had, you would understand what people mean and not be so quick to dismiss peoples' feelings just because you can't imagine them.

For me here in the US, feeling like an outsider is ...
  • Sitting around like piffy while people talk passionately about American football when you think it's the stupidest thing you've ever seen.
  • Having random strangers say "I'll pray for you" any time something bad happens instead of "sorry to hear that, mate."
  • Making a sarky joke and then realizing everyone thought you were being cruel.
  • Watching a Republican Presidential debate for more than 1 minute and wondering if the whole place has gone mad.
  • Living in a country where the governor of a major state thinks an appropriate response to a drought is a "national day of prayer."
  • Seeing people carry guns as if they were toys.
  • Smiling politely and pretending that you think Saturday Night Live is even remotely amusing.
  • Sitting around with work colleagues talking about 'the good old days' and realizing you don't share any experiences or memories.
  • Trying to make friends - and sometimes succeeding - but never quite connecting all the way.
  • Talking to people who think it's perfectly reasonable to have fighter jets fly over every time the national anthem is sung at a sports event.
  • Watching the world cup but then having no one to discuss it with afterwards.
  • Wanting fish and chips and only being able to get McDonalds or Wendy's
  • Asking for a cup of tea and getting some weak brown water with a slice of lemon
  • Having every stranger who meets you think you love the royal family (or know them personally!) just because you're a Brit

Those are just a few and I'm sure everyone has their own list, but the point is that it's not something you can understand until you've spent a few years in another country. For some people, their new lives are so enjoyable that the good outweighs the things they miss. But for some of us, it's not that way - especially as you get older and your priorities change.

As for the UK having "gone down the swanee," that's not the experience of either my friends or my family members, so perhaps it all depends on where you live and how you look at life :)


Sally you are 100% BANG ON !!

I went to a party on Saturday night with wife and there were just two other couples there , all American, very pleasant people etc, etc but I didn't enjoy myself because they aren't "my" people. Just the interaction between everyone, the flow of the conversation is so different from home.

Years ago I'd have loved it because they were so different but it seems as I've got older I've just got worn out with being "different".

jemima55 Dec 5th 2011 12:19 pm

Re: Making A Final Decision
 
I`ve been in the USA four and a half years, going home next year if all goes to plan, and I couldnt agree more with you, Sally. Sport and politics play a huge part in life here. I`m not interested in the former, unless its footie, and the politics I find laughable. When we first came here I remembered I was a guest and didnt voice opinions. Now, that`s wearing thin. The whole injustice of healthcare breaks my heart. Last week at church (yes, thats one way I do fit in) the hispanic population were having a big dinner, $12 a head. When I asked what it was in aid of, they told me a member had had an accident and they were raising money to pay for his hospital treatment.
I feel as if my horizons here have narrowed, not broadened and when I watch British tv I realise how dumb American tv is. And dont get me started on the food. I`ve found gourmet to have a whole different meaning here........

Englishmum Dec 5th 2011 1:46 pm

Re: Making A Final Decision
 

Originally Posted by jemima55 (Post 9772312)
I`ve been in the USA four and a half years, going home next year if all goes to plan, and I couldnt agree more with you, Sally. Sport and politics play a huge part in life here. I`m not interested in the former, unless its footie, and the politics I find laughable. When we first came here I remembered I was a guest and didnt voice opinions. Now, that`s wearing thin. The whole injustice of healthcare breaks my heart. Last week at church (yes, thats one way I do fit in) the hispanic population were having a big dinner, $12 a head. When I asked what it was in aid of, they told me a member had had an accident and they were raising money to pay for his hospital treatment.

All the time I see posters at local supermarkets for appeals to help pay towards healthcare costs. This appeal was posted on a local messageboard today - my friend actually works with the same clients as the mother of this poor child with a brain tumour (my friend said that there isn't a lot of hope for the poor kid, who is a triplet, his prognosis is not good). They live in the next town to me in New Jersey but the mum and her sick son are in Memphis, Tennessee until mid-Jan ***and "their health insurance is not covering any treatments to date"***

They may go bankrupt - as well as possibly lose their son :(

http://forum.maplewoodonline.com/vc/...r-help#Item_23

How lucky we British expats are to know deep down that if we are well enough to travel back to the UK to reside permanently, we will never have to worry about having battles with medical insurers or losing our homes due to medical costs. I do not intend to grow old in the US....I'm planning to apply for citizenship next year and hopefully if I get it, I'm off....:thumbsup:

jemima55 Dec 5th 2011 3:16 pm

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It`s all very sad, we are so lucky in the UK and I took the right to healthcare completely for granted until I moved here.

Beedubya Dec 5th 2011 9:32 pm

Re: Making A Final Decision
 

Originally Posted by Englishman43 (Post 9771343)
Sally you are 100% BANG ON !!

I went to a party on Saturday night with wife and there were just two other couples there , all American, very pleasant people etc, etc but I didn't enjoy myself because they aren't "my" people. Just the interaction between everyone, the flow of the conversation is so different from home.

Years ago I'd have loved it because they were so different but it seems as I've got older I've just got worn out with being "different".

I think that about sums it up for me too. :thumbsup:

Beedubya Dec 5th 2011 9:37 pm

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Perhaps the Christmas thread I have started up this morning might help you to make your decisions. ;)

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=741073

ajmarshall21 Dec 6th 2011 1:28 pm

Re: Making A Final Decision
 
Hi,

My name is Adam Marshall and I'm a reporter with Ch7's Today Tonight program. I'm researching return migration, which is basically migrants wanting to move home. It's at an all time high.




Originally Posted by coedyddinas (Post 9764033)
In pretty much the same position as you Scottie, I too feel like my mind is like a pendulum, one day I say 'just do it' then the next its "OMG don't do it', lol! I have been in Oz for 17 years (originally from South Wales), came here when I was 21, think about home everyday, and each time I go home it feels right. We went home about a month ago and went to Scotland, what a wonderful place, magical. I think its all in the planning, I agree with what you say about Oz being the safe, secure place by way of a job and financial security, I have a good job here in Brisbane and a house in Brisbane and Sydney. Our plan is to rent out our properties so we are not giving everything up in Oz. Its a tough one, I wanted to go back 10 years ago and looking back (hindsight!) I wish I had, I just don't want to look back in another 10 years with regrets - sounds like I have made my decision but then that pendulum comes back, lol. Good luck, do keep us posted, I am sure it will all become clear and fall into place :)


brithampton Dec 6th 2011 4:30 pm

Re: Making A Final Decision
 

Originally Posted by sallysimmons (Post 9769552)
[*]Smiling politely and pretending that you think Saturday Night Live is even remotely amusing.

I'm with you on that....so unfunny! So flippin' glad we've got VPN and bbc/itv/channel 4 at our fingertips. I see you are heading back sooner rather than later - I am, as they say, "well jell".

sallysimmons Dec 6th 2011 11:10 pm

Re: Making A Final Decision
 

Originally Posted by jemima55 (Post 9772537)
It`s all very sad, we are so lucky in the UK and I took the right to healthcare completely for granted until I moved here.

Ain't that the truth.

iaink Dec 7th 2011 12:51 am

Re: Making A Final Decision
 

Originally Posted by ajmarshall21 (Post 9774752)
Hi,

My name is Adam Marshall and I'm a reporter with Ch7's Today Tonight program. I'm researching return migration, which is basically migrants wanting to move home. It's at an all time high.

Adam, please read the rules regarding research, and note that there is a forum specifically for media generated requests that are approved by the admins
http://britishexpats.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=74


Originally Posted by rule 10
Research
The forums/private message, blog and email system are not to be used for the purpose of research, (questions, surveys or polls). Any such posts found will be removed without notice. From time to time university students wish to use the forums for educational research etc, in these instances prior approval must be sought from the site administrators first, if approval is not sought then the posts will be removed.


Geordie Lass Dec 8th 2011 5:51 am

Re: Making A Final Decision
 

Originally Posted by Fejaouk (Post 9758131)
Hi Guys,

Am back at the point where I need to decide if I want to stay in Oz but just cant make my mind up as its like a pendulum. Staying in Oz professionally and financially is the sensible option. Well paid, lots of opportunities and able to save a lot of money. However like others I feel like a square peg in a round hole. Hate having to repeat myself all the time due to the Scottish accent, Hate having the feeling of not belonging and worried about living here in the long term alone with out family and the security of things in the UK.

Love Oz for the lifestyle, work and weather.....is it enough?

Not sure I really miss home or family to be honest. However I know when I am at home am happy with my lot in life. In Oz I still check the local news, BBc news, think about home. However am getting to the age where I want to settle, buy a house etc. But I keep wondering if I will regret going back to Scotland and settling there. The other factor is I still have my job back in Scotland and well if I give it up, I dont see any jobs in my speciality coming up for good five years due to the GEC.

I kind of thing I should go home, settle and if after a few years am feeling dissatisfied at home, I can always return to Oz. So people any advice to make my decision final. You experience would be great.

Regards

Scottie x

I don't usually post on this forum as I am in the UK about to emigrate so don't feel it's my place to post but often read posts and have replied to a couple so far and felt like I had to reply to yours.

You know for me reading your post what jumped out at me was the use of the word "home"... you don't consider Oz your "home" and home for me means where you are content, settled and happy.

IMHO "professional" and "financial" reasons don't make people happy. People and relationships do... I would say go where your heart is... and to me it sounds like it's Scotland for you. Don't burn any bridges - if you come "home" and decide that you miss Oz then go back... simples....

Good luck... :)

Moggiemiss Dec 8th 2011 7:17 am

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Just catching up on this thread and think Sally made some very good points as well as a few other members in the forum.

I am 57, came to Canada 3 years ago as a single person with an aunt and uncle living here. I feel like an outsider. I have lived in various places in the UK, never had any problems getting work or making new friends but I am really struggling here.

I have tried joining things but people already have their social networks established. Work is often a way of making friendships. I was laid off 6 months ago in a medium size organisation after 2 years just as I felt I was getting to 'fit in'.

I am going to apply for citizenship and I am going to give it one more year
I have another job now but it is in a small office - just 3 people I am not sure it is going to help me anchor here but it will help pay for a return to England.

(I was unable to sell my house in England so I have a home to go back to.)

I am doing office work as it is the only work I can find but my background is academic/local government management

The only anchor I really have is my aunt and uncle who are in their 70s. It is the lack of shared culture (and sense of humour) that makes it difficiult to integrate. I love Canada and I have no regrets about giving it a try; I did lots of research and knew it could be difficult to find work initially but I think I truly underestimated how difficult it would be to integrate.

It has been a great experience but a costly one if I do decide to return to England.

Fejaouk Dec 11th 2011 9:12 pm

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To be honest am not sure if my problem is the feeling of not belonging or grass is greener syndrome. Most of the time I feel settled here and amazed at the great weather, I certainly do more, experience more than I ever did in Scotland and other times I just worry about my future here alone, think about how life is more secure with the NHS, family etc. On the flipside I worry am giving up an opportunity that I will regret in the future and the opportunity not to work till am 67! There are only so many times you can ping pong back and forth as its not a cheap game.

I know no one here can make my decision but its nice that people care and give their oppinons and pearls of wisdom on this subject.


Scott

Bevm Dec 11th 2011 11:46 pm

Re: Making A Final Decision
 

Originally Posted by Fejaouk (Post 9783428)
the opportunity not to work till am 67!

I wouldn't take that as given. All countries have the same problem -- people living longer and fewer younger workers to pay for their pensions. Most pension plans are not fund based -- ie the money we pay each month goes into investments that eventually pay the pension. Instead they're pyramid plans where those working pay the pensions of the retired. There used to be many workers for each retiree, but now it's few.

I don't see how places like Australia, the US, and Canada can avoid going the same way.

Bev


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