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Old Oct 31st 2008 | 9:14 am
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Poor bugger, you sound depressed right enough - are you on anti-depressants at all?

Can I ask what your story is, is your wife American or are you both Brits?
 
Old Oct 31st 2008 | 9:46 am
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Originally Posted by Dave_Was
Hello All,

For the last two months I've been so homesick it's been untrue. I've been trying to tell myself to snap out of it and enjoy the sun and the open spaces and go and visit somewhere with the darling wife.

I can't snap out of it though. I just get this feeling that I'm wasting time and my life, sitting here. I miss my Mum, Dad, Brother, Sister, BIL, neice, nephew, etc. I want to be able to just sit down and watch the TV with them, have a cuppa, argue with my Dad over why he left the car on empty again, with my brother on what to watch on the TV. Drive my mum to work, have my niece and nephew over for the evening, fight with them about them playing Nintendo too much. Have my family get to know my wife and her, them, the way you can only do, by spending time with each other.

I want to be able to walk to the shops, catch a bus, watch the football, cricket and darts. I want to go to Sainsbury's and Tescos and buy Pork pies, sausages and bacon. I want to be able to complain that it's too cold and wet to go Christmas shopping. I want to be asked to look after the kids, while my sister and BIL go sales shopping and then laugh at my BIL for being dragged along. I want to be able to have the chance of running into someone I know in the street and stop and catchup.

My sister says don't bottle it up, but I sound like a broken record if I talk about it.

I want to go home, but worry about finding work. Here I have a stable, well paid job even though at the moment it's mind numbingly boring. I worry about moving back and then losing my green card. It was a struggle to get it and I feel that if I lose it now, I'll never be in the US for work again, what with it so difficult to get a H1 now. I've only had the GC a year.

My sister asked, what am I doing? I said waiting to get my citizenship and then I'll comeback. Her response was doens't that tell you something?

My wife sometimes has a cry and says it makes her feel better afterward. I stood in the shower the other day and tried and couldn't. My heart feels heavy and my chest tight.
Hi Dave
Have no magic solutions, other than to offer you my total empathy with what you are going through, so many of us are there too.....
Fortunately (or unfortunately in some cases) I cry at the drop of a hat when I'm sad, but I can relate to the heaviness that you feel inside...
As Quoll suggests, some therapy might be a good way to go..... what you are feeling is not a sign of weakness in any way!
 
Old Oct 31st 2008 | 9:58 am
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I don't get the "staying a country you don't want to live in to get the citizenship so you can leave that country but maybe come back one day" option - it comes up time and time again though - what will change that will make you feel so differently down the track?

Since you have no unbreakable ties and your wife is willing to move, leave soon before you get trapped...maybe if you set a date you would feel better, and spend the remaining time seeing as much of the US as possible?
 
Old Oct 31st 2008 | 10:33 am
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Originally Posted by islandergirl
I don't get the "staying a country you don't want to live in to get the citizenship so you can leave that country but maybe come back one day" option - it comes up time and time again though - what will change that will make you feel so differently down the track?
People change and sometimes they have to go back "home" to know where home really is. You only have to look at how many ping pongers there are to know it can happen to anyone, anytime.

No one really ever knows what can happen in the future. At least if you get citizenship, you don't burn any bridges
 
Old Oct 31st 2008 | 10:50 am
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Originally Posted by islandergirl
Poor bugger, you sound depressed right enough - are you on anti-depressants at all?

Can I ask what your story is, is your wife American or are you both Brits?
To be honest, I've thought about going to the doctor, but I don't want to go down the road of anti-depressants.

My wife is an Indian Citizen and I'm a Brit. We originally applied for a fiance visa when I was living in the UK and my wife was in India. It got refused and then with work I ended up being in the US on a H1. So my wife and I got married in India and she got a H4 visa pretty easily.

Originally Posted by islandergirl
I don't get the "staying a country you don't want to live in to get the citizenship so you can leave that country but maybe come back one day" option - it comes up time and time again though - what will change that will make you feel so differently down the track?

Since you have no unbreakable ties and your wife is willing to move, leave soon before you get trapped...maybe if you set a date you would feel better, and spend the remaining time seeing as much of the US as possible?
I think it's the fear of burning bridges. I completely agree and aluded to that in the original post. When my sister asked me what I would do after I got citizenship and I said that I would move back, her response was basically so what's the point in waiting.

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People change and sometimes they have to go back "home" to know where home really is. You only have to look at how many ping pongers there are to know it can happen to anyone, anytime.

No one really ever knows what can happen in the future. At least if you get citizenship, you don't burn any bridges
I have ping ponged before. The ONLY reason I did it second time was because of a great job offer I had. Now the work isn't as exciting as it used to be, due to a change in philosphy at the company and in the meantime got married.

I've put the feelers out in the UK for work and started to find out more about the practicalities of the spousal visa. I know the theoretical stuff of what needs to be provided etc, but I need to see what the realities are.

I haven't made a decision yet, but I would like to know what we are facing if we do.

My wife was asking why I looked sad today. I didn't want to say anything so said just busy at work. I don't think that that was the right thing to do.
 
Old Oct 31st 2008 | 10:54 am
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Originally Posted by quoll
It sounds very much like you might benefit from seeing a counsellor - they can help with managing those intrusive thoughts so that you arent overwhelmed with them and can get on with your life in a positive way. If you could find someone who does Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT Therapy) then give them a go - it may feel odd to begin with but it can help. You dont need to cry (the shower is my time to cry I must admit) but you do need to get control of those thoughts because if you dont, then they will begin to intrude into places where you dont want them to go and make your life even more difficult.

Hope you can get something worked out, there is nothing worse than being overwhelmed with things that you can do nothing about.
There was a post here on the forum last week about how someone had been to a counsellor and them being told about how they were using sound to drown out their inner voice.

My wife always asks why I have the TV or radio on. That really rang a bell with me.

I have to admit a huge bias against counsellors and always think of them as the 'so how does that make you feel' crowd.
 
Old Oct 31st 2008 | 10:57 am
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Originally Posted by Dave_Was
My wife was asking why I looked sad today. I didn't want to say anything so said just busy at work. I don't think that that was the right thing to do.
I agree. For your sanity you need to talk with your wife. A problem shared is a problem halved

Also, your wife will know that something is wrong so sharing it with her will make her feel valued
 
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I have to admit a huge bias against counsellors and always think of them as the 'so how does that make you feel' crowd.
So you don't want to be asked about how you are feeling? Er, avoidance is a way of coping....

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy for Dummies is surprisingly good.

You do sound depressed and if you are, it will stop you thinking clearly and you also won't be able to plan properly because it's a chemical imbalance in your brain, so biochemical and hard to overcome.

Definitely time to be more open with your wife as it sounds like she is worried and she will only want to know what's upsetting you. If I was her, I would worry you weren't happy with me.
 
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G586 just beat me to it but I also wanted to suggest you speak to your wife about how you are feeling. She probably realises something is up and might get upset that you are holding back on how you feel. I thought as an immigrant herself maybe she has found some ways to cope that she could share with you if you let her?

Anyway I really empathise with you. I really miss my family in the UK and no amount of web chats and phone calls can make up for actually being with them. Because of that my OH has agreed to try and find work back in the UK so we can go home.

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ps I notice you still call it home too
 
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So you don't want to be asked about how you are feeling? Er, avoidance is a way of coping....

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy for Dummies is surprisingly good.

You do sound depressed and if you are, it will stop you thinking clearly and you also won't be able to plan properly because it's a chemical imbalance in your brain, so biochemical and hard to overcome.

Definitely time to be more open with your wife as it sounds like she is worried and she will only want to know what's upsetting you. If I was her, I would worry you weren't happy with me.
I've sat here for five minutes trying to think of something to say to repudiate this. I can't.

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G586 just beat me to it but I also wanted to suggest you speak to your wife about how you are feeling. She probably realises something is up and might get upset that you are holding back on how you feel. I thought as an immigrant herself maybe she has found some ways to cope that she could share with you if you let her?

Anyway I really empathise with you. I really miss my family in the UK and no amount of web chats and phone calls can make up for actually being with them. Because of that my OH has agreed to try and find work back in the UK so we can go home.

All the best
ps I notice you still call it home too
I'm going to try and sit down and talk to my wife this weekend. I think that she's dealt with the move fairly well as she can see that we would have a better future in the US than in India. So the thought of living in India doesn't really occur to her. Yes she does miss India, but understands living there isn't an option.

That's the thing. Living in the UK is not a step down in my mind. It's just a sideways step and more of a determination of what's important. I fully believe that you can give children the world opportunities living in the UK.

I'm going to sit down and talk to my wife this weekend. We've talked about going back to the UK before but it's always been at some future point. I might have to ask her to prepare for it to be a little sooner than she thought.
 
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I'm so pleased you're going to chat with your wife. I think it will make you both feel much better being honest and open. It did for us. Just be prepared that she may not see eye to eye straight away. It took my OH a week or so to come round to the idea that I really needed to go home.
Hope it goes well.
 
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I've sat here for five minutes trying to think of something to say to repudiate this. I can't.



I'm going to try and sit down and talk to my wife this weekend. I think that she's dealt with the move fairly well as she can see that we would have a better future in the US than in India. So the thought of living in India doesn't really occur to her. Yes she does miss India, but understands living there isn't an option.

That's the thing. Living in the UK is not a step down in my mind. It's just a sideways step and more of a determination of what's important. I fully believe that you can give children the world opportunities living in the UK.

I'm going to sit down and talk to my wife this weekend. We've talked about going back to the UK before but it's always been at some future point. I might have to ask her to prepare for it to be a little sooner than she thought.
You know whatever crap is going on in your life, you should be able to come home, close the doors and get a hug from your wife.

Dont put any more barriers between you and her to avoid communication, she isnt a mind reader.

Well done for wanting to talk to her, it is the first step and you are in control of it - and that to me is extremely positive.

 
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I have to admit a huge bias against counsellors and always think of them as the 'so how does that make you feel' crowd.
Gosh me too - if anyone does that to me or just reflects I want to bop them. ACT and CBT are great - I do tend to use CBT especially thought stopping. Solution Focussed Therapy is OK too. Avoid the Rogerians because they will delve into your personal meaning with reflection and reframing until the cows come home
 
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Originally Posted by Dave_Was
Thanks for all the responses guys.

One of the things that I find really difficult is that on a day to day living basis I like the US.

However, I miss the family and just being able to drive over and see them. Or pick up the phone and be in the same time zone.

No matter what I decide I'll be losing out on something.

A friend yesterday said to me, look when you have children things will change. Your Brother and Sister in the UK will have their own lives and parents, sad to say, but pass on. My immediate thought was I know how close I am to my sisters kids and how close my brother is with them too. I would want that for my kids too.

It's true about parents passing on, that's a fact of life, but doesn't that mean that I should cherish the time that they are around?

I've been away from England for nearly 6 years now, with 4 of them in the US. I waste weekends worrying about this and time goes by.

2 things I can share. #1.Oftentimes when I felt all broken up about not seeing my parents and my children growing up without them,1 phone call would make it clear to me that my parents were doing marvelously without us! #2. 6 years away is time long enough for your parents to "grow away" from the kind of intimacy you are imagining. So what happened to me e.g. when I returned to my homeground after 4 years away, after a few days of excitement they all returned to their rutine and got busy with their lifestyle while my family were left alone again. In time the benefits of having them around became nothing compared to the the degradation of our own lifestyle of living in a poorer country, again. Months went buy and we figured we did not belong there any more, at all, not one bit!. Now we are in US and I am hoping not to ever make this mistake again. Please go there for a long holiday to check this out yourself. When you talk about how significant it is to be in "the same time zone"(??) I really think your judgement is purly emotional. That is not good. Skiing?, skating?, Rolloerblading? ...You should get out more, buddy! To take a step away, think of people who came over to US 200 years ago, had no phones, and had to endure far worse problems than ours..
 
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Hmmm, not weighing into the counselling debate, I am more of the good dose of Zoloft/Prozac and try and get out and about a bit do some stuff, and plan to return sooner than later.

Being brutally honest your wife sounds like a good person, but her sympathy will not be boundless and there will come a time when you feeling down all the time will start to affect your marriage. After all she too is away from her own family and friends.
 


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