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Old Apr 4th 2017, 12:48 pm
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Hi my question relates to Council tax for my partner who is in UK on a 2 year temporary VISA in that as I have paid and sponsored her, she is not entitled to any claims to/for benefits as I have paid her Health Insurance to UK Government why is she subject to Council Taxation as this would amount to double taxation as a non permanent resident on a temporary VISA? Her earnings are zero as she does not work and she is not a student. If anyone can shed further light on this area it would be helpful as this borders on abridgment of her Human Rights and slavery in claiming a form of sovereignty over her. Thank you in advance of any replies.:
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Hi my question relates to Council tax for my partner who is in UK on a 2 year temporary VISA in that as I have paid and sponsored her, she is not entitled to any claims to/for benefits as I have paid her Health Insurance to UK Government why is she subject to Council Taxation as this would amount to double taxation as a non permanent resident on a temporary VISA? Her earnings are zero as she does not work and she is not a student. If anyone can shed further light on this area it would be helpful as this borders on abridgment of her Human Rights and slavery in claiming a form of sovereignty over her. Thank you in advance of any replies.:
I'm on a spouse visa. My husband and I pay Council tax, and I can't think of one good reason why we shouldn't.

The National Health Supplement is not health insurance, it's a supplement payment for the full NHS health services your partner is entitled to. When she's eligible she can apply for citizenship and won't have to pay this.

I'm sorry, but your comments re human rights infringement and slavery are nonsensical, and make a mockery of people who are really living under those conditions. Your partner has a choice whether or not to live in the UK.
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I had to pay Property taxes while living in the USA on a visa as a non-resident. This situation is no different to that.
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Should not pay VAT either ?? The State expects people to pay taxes eben if they do not want and even if they have read volumes of Anarchist Philosophy. Pay up or go to the nick. Check out Thoreau and what happened to him !

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I'm on a spouse visa. My husband and I pay Council tax, and I can't think of one good reason why we shouldn't.

The National Health Supplement is not health insurance, it's a supplement payment for the full NHS health services your partner is entitled to. When she's eligible she can apply for citizenship and won't have to pay this.

I'm sorry, but your comments re human rights infringement and slavery are nonsensical, and make a mockery of people who are really living under those conditions. Your partner has a choice whether or not to live in the UK.
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Well I must have misunderstood the heading "Health Insurance" when I paid it to UK Government ? I know the rest thank you.

Now your comments on Human Rights try reading the Human Rights 1998 and UDHR before commenting out of context with seemingly no knowledge of their meanings or useage.

Then perhaps your familiar with The Thailand and Great Britain in Ref. to UK / Thailand Double Taxation Convention Signed on the 18 February 1981 ?

If you and your partner choose to pay then its your choice but don't use the Royal "we" I'm not in your we reasoning.

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I'm on a spouse visa. My husband and I pay Council tax, and I can't think of one good reason why we shouldn't.

The National Health Supplement is not health insurance, it's a supplement payment for the full NHS health services your partner is entitled to. When she's eligible she can apply for citizenship and won't have to pay this.

I'm sorry, but your comments re human rights infringement and slavery are nonsensical, and make a mockery of people who are really living under those conditions. Your partner has a choice whether or not to live in the UK.
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Well I must have misunderstood the heading "Health Insurance" when I paid it to UK Government ? I know the rest thank you.

Now your comments on Human Rights try reading the Human Rights 1998 and UDHR before commenting out of context with seemingly no knowledge of their meanings or useage.

Then perhaps your familiar with The Thailand and Great Britain in Ref. to UK / Thailand Double Taxation Convention Signed on the 18 February 1981 ?

If you and your partner choose to pay then its your choice but don't use the Royal "we" I'm not in your we reasoning.
Oh dear. I hope you feel better soon

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I had to pay Property taxes while living in the USA on a visa as a non-resident. This situation is no different to that.
I am willing to pay Council Tax BUT not EXTRA when I have paid handsomely already for my partner, the USA I can't comment on only UK. Now with what authority if you or your partner owned your own house does someone have a right to charge you extra for non existent Services etc, which have already been paid to Government. Do Council provide ANYTHING EXTRA - no they don't as its not allowed but want to charge for what?

If everything else has been paid for via partners VISA and your partner is not a "burden" on state = no benefits but in using the concept of you have to pay then every holiday booked is subject to full not a partial in UK Council Tax as its a temporary stay just as a temporary VISA or is it? One further reference being:
The Thailand and Great Britain in Ref. to UK / Thailand Double Taxation Convention Signed on the 18 February 1981.
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Oh dear. I hope you feel better soon
I feel a lot better thank you

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Now with what authority if you or your partner owned your own house does someone have a right to charge you extra for non existent Services etc, which have already been paid to Government. Do Council provide ANYTHING EXTRA - no they don't as its not allowed but want to charge for what?
Counci tax covers all sorts of things, including council services (refuse collection etc), but also emergency services i.e. police etc. Basically it covers an awful lot, and of course everybody that's living in a home should pay it, why should other UK taxpayers subsidise your gf? The health insurance surcharge you've already paid is nothing to do with what council tax pays for, you're not paying double for anything.

As said above, if your gf doesn't want to pay it then nobody is forcing her to live in the UK.
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Hi my question relates to Council tax for my partner who is in UK on a 2 year temporary VISA in that as I have paid and sponsored her, she is not entitled to any claims to/for benefits as I have paid her Health Insurance to UK Government why is she subject to Council Taxation as this would amount to double taxation as a non permanent resident on a temporary VISA? Her earnings are zero as she does not work and she is not a student. If anyone can shed further light on this area it would be helpful as this borders on abridgment of her Human Rights and slavery in claiming a form of sovereignty over her. Thank you in advance of any replies.:
All dwellings are subject to paying council tax, either the landlord or more commonly the occupant, usually if there is only one person living there then the council tax can be reduced by 25% for single occupancy. As she is unable to claim public funds then she will have to pay the council tax, which is, in fact, a local tax as rates vary from one area to another. I fail to understand why you feel it is double taxation.
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Single occupancy council tax reduction . . .

Reducing your council tax bill - Which?
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I feel a lot better thank you
Not too sure what sort of visa she is on, but why doesn't she live with you? then you would not have to pay a second council tax.
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I feel a lot better thank you
So do I. I haven't read anything as funny as your mad posts for ages.

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All dwellings are subject to paying council tax, either the landlord or more commonly the occupant, usually if there is only one person living there then the council tax can be reduced by 25% for single occupancy. As she is unable to claim public funds then she will have to pay the council tax, which is, in fact, a local tax as rates vary from one area to another. I fail to understand why you feel it is double taxation.
Hi Mikelinics the problem that arise that as a single person you are right it is 75% for single occupancy but as a non permanent resident should not be subject to council tax as a foreign immigrant on a temporary non resident 2 year VISA. The rates would be easy to resolve previously but were repealed and replaced with council tax. As she returns home her permanent residence and taxation is in Thailand not the UK, hence the treaty on double taxation that I posted of which if she stays in Thailand for 3 months how is she liable for council tax when she is not in UK as a Thai National in overriding her sovereignty and Human Rights ergo a minimum of 3 moths council taxation at the least should disregarded. Which is rather like saying any visitor to UK should pay full council tax. Maxim "What ever is done in excess is prohibited by law." I'm not sure what you are stating "no public funding has to pay (?)" However, maxim "In a fiction of law, equity always subsists." and there is no equity in the above. Thank you for reply <snip>

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