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Re: to all who are thinking of returning!
Originally Posted by tableland
(Post 4270164)
No I am not denying it. Strictly speaking Australia comes out better than the UK in terms of most crimes. For some reason Australia leads the developed world in breaking and entering, and I think the rape stats aren't too pretty, but generally it has lower crime rates. Again I stress that my interpretationof the available demographic projections is that Australia has a better long-term future than Britain. That's my whole point.
As regards demographic projections, I understand your interpretations, but for me, there are many other factors to consider. E.g, you may be predicting a greater percentage of the population as a tax-paying workforce, but what are the economic projections? Will there be economic growth, employment opportunities, etc to match? I'm not saying there won't be, but it is food for thought. I don't feel demographic analysis alone provides all the required answers to the long-term future. :) |
Re: to all who are thinking of returning!
Originally Posted by tableland
(Post 4270164)
But the south east of England by your definition has 400 people per square kilometre. Sydney has 345 people per square kilometre. Can you add up? If you can, you will be able to see that the south east of England is more densely populated than Sydney. This is a matter of scientific fact. Like the world is spherical (so you understand this, spherical means like a football).
Still waiting for a reply to this... http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...&postcount=192 and this... http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...&postcount=195 |
Re: to all who are thinking of returning!
Originally Posted by sassenach
(Post 4270203)
Good HP ,i hope they do post in the australia forum because im sick to death of the pathetic debates on the side where by and large the people on this side are pro -brit and are sick to death of the fly ridden ,shallow ,up them selves plonkers that live here and like it and what makes it worse is the wannabees they make me want to vomit .
But by and large your post is the voice of reason and i am proud to say i am one of those aussie -hating whingers ,i cant stand them and i cant stand the people that act like them and want to be like them . |
Re: to all who are thinking of returning!
Originally Posted by HiddenPaw
(Post 4271622)
You'll be pleased to know that I'm not disagreeing with your interpretations, but I can't go as far as agreeing with you, because I do not interpret things in the same way!! Crime stats for an entire nation do not necessarily reflect the reality of a smaller part of that nation - i.e. on a day-to-day basis you can only live in/be influenced by a small geographical area. Of course, you could be in an area that is better than the national average, or you could be in an area that is worse. That's why I mentioned in an earlier post that you will find the same kinds of issues as the UK "some better, some worse". How they affect you depends on your own location and circumstances.
As regards demographic projections, I understand your interpretations, but for me, there are many other factors to consider. E.g, you may be predicting a greater percentage of the population as a tax-paying workforce, but what are the economic projections? Will there be economic growth, employment opportunities, etc to match? I'm not saying there won't be, but it is food for thought. I don't feel demographic analysis alone provides all the required answers to the long-term future. :) |
Re: to all who are thinking of returning!
Originally Posted by tableland
(Post 4270164)
But the south east of England by your definition has 400 people per square kilometre. Sydney has 345 people per square kilometre. Can you add up? If you can, you will be able to see that the south east of England is more densely populated than Sydney.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Sydney http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney#Demographics Sydney's urban area covers 1,687 km² (651 mi²) as at 2001. The Sydney Statistical Division, used for census data, is the unofficial metropolitan area and covers 12,145 km² (4,689 mi²). This area includes the Central Coast and Blue Mountains as well as broad swathes of national park and other unurbanized land. 3,455,110 people lived in Sydney's urban area as at 2001. As of 2005 there are an estimated 4,254,894 people living in the Sydney Statistical Division with a population density of 345.7 persons per sq km. So when dear old Tableland says "Sydney has a population density of 345 people per sq. Km", he's actually referring to the Sydney Statistical Division, an area about the same size as Greater London, Kent, Sussex, Surrey and Hampshire combined (some would say that's a resonable definition of "The south east of England"). The actual city of Sydney (which actually has a population density of 2,048 per sq. km) takes up just over 10% of this area, and much of the rest is, to say the least, unurbanised. I am NOT disputing the patently obvious fact that overall Australia is less crowded than the UK. What I am saying is that it is wrong to suggest that rural England or SE England as a whole has a higher population density than the city of Sydney (see below), because while counties in SE England have population densities in the order of 300-400 people per square km, the urbanised area of Sydney (i.e. the city) has a density of more than 2,000, not 345.
Originally Posted by tableland
(Post 4270164)
The population of density of Sydney is less than half this. In other words, the most "urbanised" area of Australia has half the density of the entire South East of England.
that still leaves 16 million in London and the South East with a density of over 4000 people per square kilometre in London (compared to Sydney's 345) and over 400 people per square kilometre in the South East .... the population density of the South East of England - as you would define it -is higher than the population density of the city of Sydney. ...... there are fewer peopl eper square kilometre there than here. I'm not talking about the sodding Nullarbor, but even places like Sydney. Lower density than rural England. |
Re: to all who are thinking of returning!
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This is true, as is the case with Britain. The difference is that the British population is just about stagnant thanks to the high death rate. Australia is growing at a much higher rate. Unless you have a problem with immigrants? which fairy tale book did you find this little gem in ? the Australian population growth rate even with immigration,is in the negative .that doesn't mean that the actual number decreases just the growth rate is keeping up with needs .The death rate in Aust out strips birth rates .I have no problem with immigratants just immigration policies. Australias population as I said before is to low to sustain the country ,which is why taxes are so high ,why policies of protectionism for Aussie made are in place , last time I looked the UK birth rate was +1.what ever death rate . but since I'm not overly concerned either way ...... |
Re: to all who are thinking of returning!
Originally Posted by tableland
(Post 4270164)
Although Australia has a bright future economically thanks to its natural resources, growing population, developing free trade arrangements with various SE Asian nations including China and Japan, there is another reason why it has a better long-term outlook than the UK: the weather. Being 80 years old is not a great age to be cold, looking at the rain and snow, and slipping arse over elbows on the way to the papershop every morning. Ask anyone over 70 in this country and they will tell you how much they hate the cold. |
Re: to all who are thinking of returning!
Originally Posted by sassenach
(Post 4273841)
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Re: to all who are thinking of returning!
Originally Posted by northernbird
(Post 4273869)
:zzz: :zzz: :zzz:
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Re: to all who are thinking of returning!
Originally Posted by sassenach
(Post 4273876)
you want to spend less time on the computer if your that tired.
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Re: to all who are thinking of returning!
Originally Posted by tableland
(Post 4270164)
Although Australia has a bright future economically thanks to its natural resources, growing population, developing free trade arrangements with various SE Asian nations including China and Japan, there is another reason why it has a better long-term outlook than the UK: the weather. Being 80 years old is not a great age to be cold, looking at the rain and snow, and slipping arse over elbows on the way to the papershop every morning. Ask anyone over 70 in this country and they will tell you how much they hate the cold. |
Re: to all who are thinking of returning!
Originally Posted by FPM
(Post 4256499)
If you're at all interested, the country that holds the highest per capita murder rate is neither Oz or the UK. It's the Vatican;)
'Inadmissable!" (For obvious reasons...) |
Re: to all who are thinking of returning!
Originally Posted by northernbird
(Post 4273878)
:zzz: :zzz:
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Re: to all who are thinking of returning!
Originally Posted by sassenach
(Post 4273932)
only two tireds now then .
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Re: to all who are thinking of returning!
Originally Posted by northernbird
(Post 4273936)
you know what to do assensach and the last word rhymes with toff :zzz:
Your no better than any one else ,if anything your worse because you dont play by your own highbrow rules they are only for us commoners .you would make A good politician ,full of s---e. |
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