adriancharles

Yep i have had a rough ride, too many big headed people on here who think they are where they are, solely because of "hard work", that is bull, theres graduates out here in Britain that are so desperate for work, that they have accepted full time cleaning jobs. They have and do work hard, and are still applying for better jobs, but its a different time were living in today. Its a time of struggle.

So all you successful people out there, appreciate what you have, and dont take the mic out of those struggling. If you were just entering in to the job sector now, you would know the struggle, we dont just walk into jobs nowadays, even for a security job, you have 3 stages to the interview.

hard work my arse.

adriancharles

If you need a PA, or any sort of assistant, let me know, Id be happy to work for you.

Paracletus

I have a woman in the house, and I can't multi-task so well. But I'll keep it in mind, though I am quite selfish.

typical

Did anyone say "solely"?

Hard work is a necessary condition for success. Sorry, but it is. It isn't a sufficient one, no. Most of us have had fair helpings of luck along the way. But even so, hard work is essential.

Frankly it was hard to respond to you because your initial posts were so vague. You got very good advice to try to think about your goals and so on, put in some research, try to identify what kind of jobs might be open to you and so on. If you'd come and asked, for example, "I'm looking for labs attached to hospitals that might be testing for X, Y and Z", you'd have probably got some useful answers. Maybe even people piping up that they knew people at those places.

You are wrong on this. Sorry, but there it is. Times are indeed hard now. They were hard when I was made redundant 9 months after graduating, too. They'd been hard in the past as well. Friends from school had worked as cleaners, or in fast food restaurants, back then, after graduating.

The point is, it wasn't that you were getting abuse because you were struggling. You were getting abuse because your posts had no structure, you seemed to have no clear plan, you weren't making it easy for people to help you. You seemed at once to be open to anything while also touting your skills, and that is confusing - as a general rule, the more highly skilled you are, the narrower your window for jobs tends to be but the more highly rewarded those jobs are.

The problem is, of course, that "warm body" jobs out here are overwhelmingly filled by people who will earn a salary you'd never be happy with.

Try some introspection. Ask yourself why the first poster to this thread got a much better reception. Do some research, and come back with some specific questions, and you will get help.

adriancharles

No one said "Solely", but when I said so and so is lucky, i got abuse saying, its hard work blah blah, I agree its hard work, but lucky plays a big factor.

"You were getting abuse because your posts had no structure, you seemed to have no clear plan, you weren't making it easy for people to help you. You seemed at once to be open to anything while also touting your skills, and that is confusing - as a general rule, the more highly skilled you are, the narrower your window for jobs tends to be but the more highly rewarded those jobs are."

Ok I agree my posts didnt have great structure, this is because im willing to go abroad to do any decent job within a hospital/medical environment. And if people found it hard to help me, dont help me, but DONT give me grief and abuse, just stay quite.

if you can help someone, help them, if you CANT, the least you can do is not cause any harm/grief. Words do hurt.

Patsy Stoned

Dear God!! Get over yourself darling.... firstly, please learn how to spell and punctuate, then get the chip off your shoulder!
Nobody here "walked" into jobs. We do what we do because, usually, we are good at what we do and have worked hard to get where we are.
Stop being such a wimp, decide what you want to do and then set about achieving it. Then we will give you help.

britexpat76

You really know how to endear yourself to people........

As a student you wouldn't know hard work it it walked up to you and kicked you in the jacobs.......

auzdafluff

You'll get grief and abuse because most of us; even those of us in our 20s, have many years of experience behind us. I'm 27, but I worked as a journalist (free at first, gradually increasing the amount I got paid, until I got my first full time job) for ten years before moving into a different career.

I'd been working in the field for eight years when I was approached to move out here.

All of us are extremely highly skilled in our respective fields. That's why we're out here, and paid what we are.

Even the successful sales people in areas like real estate, recruitment and 'wealth management' are world-class experts in bullshitting and schmoozing (note successful guys )

Yes, there are elements of luck. Knowing the right people. Being in the right place at the right time, etc etc. But for the most part, we are here because of the sacrifices we made when we were younger.

If you're not long out of uni yet, look to volunteer in the area you want to get into. Build up experience; contacts etc. You might find you don't need to move out of the UK.

But don't for one second think that the grass is greener over here. It isn't. It's sand. Sand is one of those things that's nice to think about, but a pain in the ass when you are in it.

scrubbedexpat141

Mate you are probably a very similar age to me.

You sound like a lot of my mates from school that are just bums / knobheads.

Full of excuses.

mikewot

No it's not bull. Do you seriously believe that there are many people out here who simply walked into a high paid job?
Is that possibly because there are so many shite courses producing worthless degrees in nothing subjects that employers are now looking very closely at what the degree is in and which university you studied at? Yea olde days of being something special because of a degree are long gone.

You poor lambiekin! Of course those of us in the older generation have never struggled, we've always had the cushy easy life. You forget food rationing after the war, no one (or very few) had TV's or cars or often not enough to eat and we would go hungry, no foreign holidays etc. Now it is 'normal' to have at least one car, TV in every room (largest possible plasma in the lounge), latest mobile phone, PC and mobile PC device, foreign holidays every year as much food as you want to stuff down your face and the list goes on. Don't try and tell us it's a struggle because you wouldn't know what struggling is if it slapped you on the face.

What makes you think that people just walked into jobs in yea olde days? Seriously what are you talking about!

Meow

This kid isn't worth wasting any more time on. He seems to think the world owes him a living and has no concept of how the real world works.


Rather reminds me of people who say things such as "you're so lucky to have a nice car/lovely house etc" forgetting that most of us work damn hard to be able to afford such things. It's not about luck, unless you count the luck that you make for yourself by putting in thousands of hours of work.

co durham boy

There's a lot of that same attitude around today , especially out of the U.K . People want things now , whether it's holidays , cars or high paid jobs in the Middle East .

People want to be propelled into stardom from the bottom , nothing else matters in life.
It's like a X Factor / Big Brother type cancer where everybody can aspire to the top . We can all be singers and Premiership footballers.....

None of them stop to think about the years of slog and shit and 16 hr shifts and missing out on big parts of your and your loved ones lives .......

That doesn't matter when you're destined for stardom.....

auzdafluff

Sometimes I do wonder if I my age group (those over 25 to 30) were the last lot that didn't expect everything to be handed to them on a plate. Mainly because we weren't told in school that everything will be handed to you, that not everyone could be the best, and most importantly of all, just because you're smart, doesn't mean someone with a far stronger work ethic won't be able to do the job better than you.

scrubbedexpat141

I'm definitely in that (24).

My generation is certainly amongst the last....with a big divide between those who work and those who expect.

mikewot

I do wonder whether the current trend to not having things like competitive school sports days, because no one can be a 'loser' so there is no first, second, third etc. contributes to 'youf' living in a cotton wool swaddled bubble. Also the schools teaching for the exams which the authorities give huge hints as to the questions, going through old exam papers (I never even seen an exam paper until I sat one) etc. doesn't help people to think for themselves can't be good.
Perhaps I'm just a reactionary old fuddy duddy, I really don't know.