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Re: wind farms, pros and cons, love or hate?
Originally Posted by oopsbuddy
(Post 10591970)
WTF has got into the Irish government whereby it has pulled down Ireland's pants and bent over to allow this to be even considered!
I too would take down my pants if I could get 14% of my power by wind... Then again with that much wind they might not stay on |
Re: wind farms, pros and cons, love or hate?
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 10521331)
I'm impressed. Good for you.
Total worldwide wind turbines now produce an annual power output of about 50 billion KWh (and increasing very quickly year over year). The coal needed for power equivalent output is more than 100 million tonnes of coal per year, or about 300 million tonnes of CO2. There are far better solutions for communities to start getting involved with that are far better for the environment than solar and wind. No saying solar and wind are irrelevant but wind turbines are not all airplane propeller. And renewable energy from cleaning up waste is far better for us all, with lower setup costs. |
Re: wind farms, pros and cons, love or hate?
Originally Posted by RedDragon2008
(Post 10592815)
There are far better solutions for communities to start getting involved with that are far better for the environment than solar and wind.
Both myself and my company would be very interested to know these alternative energy sources? |
Re: wind farms, pros and cons, love or hate?
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 10592336)
I have no idea why every new build all over the world, does not require solar to be installed on the roof. I would imagine that the economies of scale would then ensure that the costs of such systems would tumble.
IF I ever build a house, (and that's probably unlikely, but you never know) I will add solar panels. And a grey water systems, and thermal wotsits, and anything else I can think of. |
Re: wind farms, pros and cons, love or hate?
Originally Posted by ann m
(Post 10593051)
I agree - I can't believe Alberta hasn't embraced this - we are forever banging on about how much sunshine we've got here - so let's use it.
IF I ever build a house, (and that's probably unlikely, but you never know) I will add solar panels. And a grey water systems, and thermal wotsits, and anything else I can think of. |
Re: wind farms, pros and cons, love or hate?
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10593104)
Even thOugh it will cost much more than regular sytems?
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Re: wind farms, pros and cons, love or hate?
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 10593121)
What price do you you put on saving the planet
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Re: wind farms, pros and cons, love or hate?
Originally Posted by ann m
(Post 10593051)
I agree - I can't believe Alberta hasn't embraced this - we are forever banging on about how much sunshine we've got here - so let's use it.
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Re: wind farms, pros and cons, love or hate?
Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 10592977)
Please name a few.............
Both myself and my company would be very interested to know these alternative energy sources? The power generated includes that required for the local major industry (to support jobs and income) and the power generated for residential use. Would gather Canada produces the same level of shit that Australians do:sneaky: Also using shit from animals in the region ie feeding lots etc. The new technology is 25 times more efficient than old technology. |
Re: wind farms, pros and cons, love or hate?
Originally Posted by ann m
(Post 10593051)
I agree - I can't believe Alberta hasn't embraced this - we are forever banging on about how much sunshine we've got here - so let's use it.
IF I ever build a house, (and that's probably unlikely, but you never know) I will add solar panels. And a grey water systems, and thermal wotsits, and anything else I can think of. |
Re: wind farms, pros and cons, love or hate?
Originally Posted by RedDragon2008
(Post 10592815)
However what portion of that originating power generated is able to be used?
There are far better solutions for communities to start getting involved with that are far better for the environment than solar and wind. No saying solar and wind are irrelevant but wind turbines are not all airplane propeller. And renewable energy from cleaning up waste is far better for us all, with lower setup costs. If you live in an isolated community where there's loads of shit, by all means dry it out in the sun and burn it. But I've no doubt that sooner or later some whining locals will complain about their mother in law getting the palsy from the miasma. |
Re: wind farms, pros and cons, love or hate?
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 10593347)
Why do you set these things up as exclusive alternatives? Yes, when any generator is connected to the grid, there are transmission losses, but the figures you quoted from my earlier post are nett of these losses.
If you live in an isolated community where there's loads of shit, by all means dry it out in the sun and burn it. But I've no doubt that sooner or later some whining locals will complain about their mother in law getting the palsy from the miasma. Its all self contained and provides co and tri generation, along with production of bio diesel. |
Re: wind farms, pros and cons, love or hate?
Originally Posted by RedDragon2008
(Post 10593349)
You dont know the process
Its all self contained and provides co and tri generation, along with production of bio diesel. Oh, and feel free to explain the process. I'd be very interested. |
Re: wind farms, pros and cons, love or hate?
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 10593409)
All very commendable if the raw material is widely available. Excellent in fact but why imply that wind power is the wrong choice for the majority?
Oh, and feel free to explain the process. I'd be very interested. What I would expect to see is a hiearchy of technolgies used together for example: 1 Resolve waste management problems and establish for every waste source a solution that effectually generates sustainable power source. 2 Knowing or expecting that step 1 will not solve all of the power requirements add on the other renewable solutions such as wind, geothermal, solar etc. Of course I am also assuming the initial step of people conserving their energy consumption was already dealt with in step 0. Does that makes sense? |
Re: wind farms, pros and cons, love or hate?
Originally Posted by RedDragon2008
(Post 10593428)
I think wind is wrong in terms of assuming it as a base load.
What I would expect to see is a hiearchy of technolgies used together for example: 1 Resolve waste management problems and establish for every waste source a solution that effectually generates sustainable power source. 2 Knowing or expecting that step 1 will not solve all of the power requirements add on the other renewable solutions such as wind, geothermal, solar etc. Of course I am also assuming the initial step of people conserving their energy consumption was already dealt with in step 0. Does that makes sense? A hierarchy is certainly needed. Waste management with co-generation is a valuable part of that too. |
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