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Old Mar 4th 2008 | 9:31 am
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Originally Posted by Rob_999
I could move back to the uk tomorrow and use the nhs, so whats the big deal?
You'd probably have to wait until you'd been resident for six months.
 
Old Mar 4th 2008 | 9:41 am
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Originally Posted by bazzz
You'd probably have to wait until you'd been resident for six months.
I think you are eligible straight away as long as you can prove you intend to live there as main residence.
 
Old Mar 4th 2008 | 9:43 am
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Originally Posted by Lees147
So does this apply to the unemployed? or newly landed residents?
yes, as long as you are resident
 
Old Mar 4th 2008 | 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by bazzz
You'd probably have to wait until you'd been resident for six months.
Are you taking up or resuming permanent residence in the UK?
Under the current Regulations, anyone who is taking up or resuming permanent residence in the UK is entitled to free National Health Service (NHS) hospital treatment in England. If your intention is to live permanently in the UK you will be exempt from hospital charges from the date of your arrival in the country but you should expect to be asked to prove your intention and that you are legally entitled to live here. This exemption applies to your spouse, civil partner and children (under the age of 16, or 19 if in further education) if they are living here with you on a permanent basis.

On the other hand:

Are you coming to the United Kingdom on holiday or to visit relatives?
Under the current Regulations, anyone who comes to the UK on holiday or for a short term visit will have to pay for any NHS hospital treatment they may need while they are here, unless they meet the criteria for one of the exemptions from charges. This includes people coming to visit relatives who are ordinarily resident in the UK. Their entitlement to free treatment does not extend to you, even if you are going to be staying with them for several weeks or months. If you think you will have to pay for treatment, you are strongly advised to take out health insurance before you travel.
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Old Mar 4th 2008 | 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by Rob_999
You're assuming his uk income isn't taxed at source.
No, I'm not. I assuming that he's filing his tax return in Canada legally, on his global income and claiming the deduction for the tax withheld at source which he is due under the UK-Canada tax treaty.

Don't see why everyone's getting on their high horse. If I was in the uk and needed to visit a doctor I would expect to use the NHS with no charge. Not something I would plan for or do on purpose, but as a British citizen I would expect that...
You may expect it, but you would have no right to do it and would be abusing the NHS to the detriment of British residents.
 
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Rules are clear. However if you were in the uk on holiday, and needed to see a doctor - would you pay, or just use relatives address?
Come on, be honest about it. I really don't think it's a big deal..

If you need emergency treatment that's free to anyone regardless of residency.
 
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
No, I'm not. I assuming that he's filing his tax return in Canada legally, on his global income and claiming the deduction for the tax withheld at source which he is due under the UK-Canada tax treaty.
Exactly - So he's paying tax in both uk and Canada then
 
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Originally Posted by Rob_999
Rules are clear. However if you were in the uk on holiday, and needed to see a doctor - would you pay, or just use relatives address?
Come on, be honest about it. I really don't think it's a big deal..

If you need emergency treatment that's free to anyone regardless of residency.
Oh sure, I'd use it. But then I'd also mug someone's grandmother if I needed the money for a pint.
 
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Originally Posted by Rob_999
Rules are clear. However if you were in the uk on holiday, and needed to see a doctor - would you pay, or just use relatives address?
Come on, be honest about it. I really don't think it's a big deal..

If you need emergency treatment that's free to anyone regardless of residency.
You get travel insurance dont you, and claim on that. Simple

It is a big deal. Its dishonest.
 
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Originally Posted by Rob_999
Exactly - So he's paying tax in both uk and Canada then
Jeez, what part of this don't you understand?
 
Old Mar 4th 2008 | 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by Rob_999

If you need emergency treatment that's free to anyone regardless of residency.
Tell that to the birds, (UK, Canadian , US, French variety whichever you choose). In the UK and Canada the questions would be asked after the emergency was dealt with, in the US this is distinctly less likely. But either way it won't be "free".
 
Old Mar 4th 2008 | 10:15 am
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
Jeez, what part of this don't you understand?
Tax at source in uk = tax to uk government
Tax in Canada = tax on worldwide income less amount taxed at source in uk
so he's paying tax in two countries.

It's quite simple
 
Old Mar 4th 2008 | 10:17 am
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
Tell that to the birds, (UK, Canadian , US, French variety whichever you choose). In the UK and Canada the questions would be asked after the emergency was dealt with, in the US this is distinctly less likely. But either way it won't be "free".
A&E is free, apparently:

http://www.nnuh.nhs.uk/Dept.asp?ID=364
 
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Originally Posted by bazzz
I stand corrected.
 
Old Mar 4th 2008 | 10:29 am
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Originally Posted by Rob_999
If you need emergency treatment that's free to anyone regardless of residency.
According to the NHS website, treatment in hospital emergency departments and in walk-in clinics is free.

However, if a visitor to the UK is admitted to a hospital for ongoing treatment, medical service ceases to be free.

When you're admitted to a hospital as an inpatient, you have to pay. The definition on an inpatient includes someone who has emergency surgery.

My reading of the NHS's website regarding visitors to the UK is that treatment in the emergency department or in a walk-in clinic is free. But, as soon as you enter the hospital for ongoing treatment (and that includes having emergency surgery), you are charged.

There's an element of risk in going to the UK without medical insurance, isn't there? I mean you may be able to scam your parents' family doctor, but are you going to be able to pull the wool over the eyes of hospital staff if you have an accident and need surgery? I've never needed medical treatment during my visits to the UK, but I'd be surprised if you could hide the fact that you were a visitor if you had surgery and stayed in hospital for a while.

Here is a previous thread about a child who had an accident and needed surgery while he was visiting the UK. The child's mother was a British citizen who still had an NHS number from the time that she'd lived in the UK. But, when hospital officials plugged her number into the system, there was no trace of her. Although her son was a British citizen, he didn't have an NHS number. The NHS charged the mother for the surgery.
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