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Old Oct 22nd 2014 | 2:15 am
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http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/politics/so...tawa-1.2808710

Soldier shot in Ottawa

I have an uneasy feeling regarding these incidents, let's just hope that this was just an accident, maybe he was caught in a gang crossfire at the memorial and the soldier who was killed by the known Islamic radical car driver who was stopped from leaving canada and had his passport removed was just texting and driving and none of this is anything to do with Canada getting involved with the U.S. in the war on ISIS.

More info:
http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/...rial-1.2065443

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Old Oct 22nd 2014 | 2:20 am
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Witnesses say the shooter fled towards Parliament Hill and there are reports of shooting inside the parliament buildings and the CTV news feed just showed an armoured car rolling up to the memorial.
Edit: "Tall, thin man wearing black and white head scarf and carrying a long gun." Pandemonium inside.
The paramedics were performing CPR on the soldier before moving him, doesn't look good. Harper was evacuated out as a precaution.

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Old Oct 22nd 2014 | 2:42 am
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As this develops and reporters interview eye witnesses we almost need one column for 'reports' and another for 'conflicting reports'. Wish I had the day to waste but I'm sure we'll get the whole story later. Best wishes for the victim - any time they're still trying to start someone's heart as he's driven away it's bad news.
Ooh tweets from some MPs suggest there was a battle inside and the suspect is dead or in custody (CBC News), even if true they may spend hours searching the Hill before releasing info.

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Old Oct 22nd 2014 | 2:55 am
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Originally Posted by MarkG
Typical Guardian. 'It's all society's fault!'
That's a bit dismissive. Since dangerous individuals like this are increasing, one of the questions is why? Are you really suggesting that their are no societal influences.
 
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Cdn Press reporter inside centre block tweets Sgt at Arms Kevin Vickers shot 1 intruder dead and there are 1, possibly 2 more on the property so this could go on for some time.
 
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Cdn Press reporter inside centre block tweets Sgt at Arms Kevin Vickers shot 1 intruder dead and there are 1, possibly 2 more on the property so this could go on for some time.
Great live updates CT. I ought to probably check Twitter too.
 
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That's a bit dismissive. Since dangerous individuals like this are increasing, one of the questions is why? Are you really suggesting that their are no societal influences.
I think that people that wish to kill other people will use whatever excuse they can: It's because of the way people treat my religion; it's because of the way people treat my sexuality; it's because of the way people treat my race; it's because my mother didn't give me a Mars bar when I was six, etc.

Whether any such excuses stand up to scrutiny is another matter.
 
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That's a bit dismissive. Since dangerous individuals like this are increasing, one of the questions is why? Are you really suggesting that their are no societal influences.
You can send a crazy killer to jail, but you can't send Society to jail.

'I blame society!' is just a way of avoiding blame by pretending that everyone is guilty. It's Lefty 101 for avoiding blame for the consequences of their actions, like 'But everyone does it!'

The really crazy thing is that these people believe that murdering soldiers will achieve anything other than a crackdown on them. But, then again, that's probably what they want.
 
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Great live updates CT. I ought to probably check Twitter too.
@VassyKapelos is one source, there are more but I couldn't find them again. All DND bases in the country are closed to civilians effective immediately, and if anyone has tickets to the Leafs- Senators game you better check before leaving.
 
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AC, MG:

Some people are born killers, agreed. Some will kill out of sadism, psychopathy or some other mental derangement.

The difference here is that seemingly normal people are persuaded or self-persuade to kill. In that case it is worthwhile to dig a little deeper.
 
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AC, MG:

Some people are born killers, agreed. Some will kill out of sadism, psychopathy or some other mental derangement.

The difference here is that seemingly normal people are persuaded or self-persuade to kill. In that case it is worthwhile to dig a little deeper.
The difference is the ideology, these aren't kids who've been bullied at school or some donkey whose girlfriend left him, it's a holy war and these self described true believers are being urged to do their part. Why do they become jihadis?, because they empathise with the struggle of their counterparts around the world. I expect more, possibly IRA style bomb attacks or even suicide bombings in the future.
They haven't cancelled Malala Yousafzai's ceremony of honourary Canadian citizenship today, yet.
Confirmed second shooting inside Rideau Centre so there may be more trouble.

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The difference is the ideology, these aren't kids who've been bullied at school or some donkey whose girlfriend left him, it's a holy war and these self described true believers are being urged to do their part. Why do they become jihadis?, because they empathise with the struggle of their counterparts around the world. I expect more, possibly IRA style bomb attacks or even suicide bombings in the future.
But why do they empathise? Why when faced with accepting their own country (with all it's faults) as most of us do, why do they turn against it? Want to destroy it. Why is their allegiance to their homeland not strong enough to suppress their empathy with attackers?

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Not a good thing to wake up to. Hard to tell these days if something like this is a random sicko upset with something, or a terror plot.
 
Old Oct 22nd 2014 | 4:21 am
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Not a good thing to wake up to. Hard to tell these days if something like this is a random sicko upset with something, or a terror plot.
Random 2 or 3 sickoes one of which is dead.
 
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Shard I can only guess that the promise of eternal salvation is as popular as ever. I wonder what happened at the Rideau Centre Mall, probably lots of people in there and the stores locked down & cops running all over. A co-ordinated attack like this smacks of Nairobi and Mumbai. Oh we've had shootings and attacks on police in Regina recently but definately no terrorism.
 


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