scrubbedexpat099

Other had 5.

CanadaJimmy

It's no coincidence that Canada, a country that has been under the Liberal Party on and off for nearly 70 years, is one of countries the continuously ranked as the best to live in in the world, and I think members here recognize that and that is what caused a Lib Dem win in our mock election.

In my opinion, the UK on the other hand has been on a downward spiral ever since the only choices became left or right. The pendulum just swings back and forth every few years and each time more and more damage is done. To me, it's no coincidence that when Blair moved Labour more to the centre Labour was elected and the country started to do really well, however the problem there was that Blair didn't have liberal values and as such was happy to go to war with Iraq and erode civil liberties. Going to war with Iraq was unthinkable for Canadian liberals and our privacy and rights are much better protected with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

However the Lib Dems plan to just overturn the referendum result was very short sighted and their policy and presentation was very uninspiring, so no surprise their leader lost her seat and they barely got 10% of the popular vote. The UK desperately needs a credible centrist party that could learn a lot from Trudeau's Liberals.

DaveLovesDee

And Labour under Corbyn was the nearest the UK had to a centrist party. Maybe Labour needs to split between traditional and New Labour.

scrubbedexpat099

Labour abandoned that sector a loooong time ago.

CanadaJimmy

I disagree, when you hear Corbyn speak it is clear he believes state intervention across all sorts of areas, which is a huge part of the socialist methodology, and against the centrist/liberal belief in free markets. The talk of nationalizing internet service providers was incredibly radical and interventionist. I could maybe understand nationalizing the rail and buses, but even that was dubious, Japan for example has a completely privatized rail network and it's considered one of the best in the world.

BristolUK

As I posted in another thread earlier:

2016 Voting to Leave - 17.4m
2019 Get Brexit Done - 13.9m

That's fewer people than before.

Paul_Shepherd

Thats already been done when Blair was made leader of new Labour.... Arthur Scargill formed The Socialist Labour Party..... but it didn't fly, as people's political views have moved on from that.

Annetje

And how many votes against Brexit ?

scrubbedexpat099

Almost Canadian

What does the charter give that is missing from the laws that govern the UK that affects the average citizen of either?

CanadaJimmy

Well for a start the UK's ever increasing stop and search policies would immediately be found in contravention of Section 8 of the Charter. Likely Labour's attempt at an ID card/database as well as the Conservative's Snooper's Charter would be found to violate Section 7 of the Charter, or at the very least, get the attention of the Privacy commissioner of Canada, a post that doesn't exist in the UK.

Almost Canadian

Any others? The fact that the UK has no equivalent of the "notwithstanding clause" is to be celebrated, I would suggest.

CanadaJimmy

As for the notwithstanding clause, I'd argue that perfection is the enemy of good. I still think Canada is better off for having the Charter despite this aspect.

The Canadian government website has a list of where the Charter played a big role in supporting ordinary people in legal cases. In the UK without such a Charter, there may have been different outcomes.
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sj...cdl/cases.html