Trayvon case
Jul 22nd 2013 | 7:12 am
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Re: Trayvon case
Strange laws in Florida.
Jul 22nd 2013 | 7:17 am
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Re: Trayvon case
It doesn't make sense because you're totally off with the timeline established during the case. It's easy to make it sound like he was told not to follow while inside his car and then say he exited the car after being told this but it's simply not accurate.
He was asked if he was following long after he was out of the car. At this point he was actually nowhere near Martin who had left and was in a different area.
After being told not to follow he stopped and began walking back towards his car. This is where the altercation occurred after Martin, having reached the house he was staying at to the south (established by his own words on a phonecall he made), magically doubled back and traveled ~100m in the wrong direction to actually initiate the direct confrontation. Note it's Martin who starts the fight and witnesses confirm him beating Zimmerman on the ground.
That's why the only person convicted of anything during the case was Martin and not Zimmerman.
It's easy to see people being manipulated by the media here. Just like "MillieF" talking about Stand Your Ground...which wasn't actually relevant or used in either the Zimmerman or Alexander cases as far as I'm aware.
He was asked if he was following long after he was out of the car. At this point he was actually nowhere near Martin who had left and was in a different area.
After being told not to follow he stopped and began walking back towards his car. This is where the altercation occurred after Martin, having reached the house he was staying at to the south (established by his own words on a phonecall he made), magically doubled back and traveled ~100m in the wrong direction to actually initiate the direct confrontation. Note it's Martin who starts the fight and witnesses confirm him beating Zimmerman on the ground.
That's why the only person convicted of anything during the case was Martin and not Zimmerman.
It's easy to see people being manipulated by the media here. Just like "MillieF" talking about Stand Your Ground...which wasn't actually relevant or used in either the Zimmerman or Alexander cases as far as I'm aware.
Jul 22nd 2013 | 7:25 am
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Re: Trayvon case
It doesn't make sense because you're totally off with the timeline established during the case. It's easy to make it sound like he was told not to follow while inside his car and then say he exited the car after being told this but it's simply not accurate.
He was asked if he was following long after he was out of the car. At this point he was actually nowhere near Martin who had left and was in a different area.
After being told not to follow he stopped and began walking back towards his car. This is where the altercation occurred after Martin, having reached the house he was staying at to the south (established by his own words on a phonecall he made), magically doubled back and traveled ~100m in the wrong direction to actually initiate the direct confrontation. Note it's Martin who starts the fight and witnesses confirm him beating Zimmerman on the ground.
That's why the only person convicted of anything during the case was Martin and not Zimmerman.
It's easy to see people being manipulated by the media here. Just like "MillieF" talking about Stand Your Ground...which wasn't actually relevant or used in either the Zimmerman or Alexander cases as far as I'm aware.
He was asked if he was following long after he was out of the car. At this point he was actually nowhere near Martin who had left and was in a different area.
After being told not to follow he stopped and began walking back towards his car. This is where the altercation occurred after Martin, having reached the house he was staying at to the south (established by his own words on a phonecall he made), magically doubled back and traveled ~100m in the wrong direction to actually initiate the direct confrontation. Note it's Martin who starts the fight and witnesses confirm him beating Zimmerman on the ground.
That's why the only person convicted of anything during the case was Martin and not Zimmerman.
It's easy to see people being manipulated by the media here. Just like "MillieF" talking about Stand Your Ground...which wasn't actually relevant or used in either the Zimmerman or Alexander cases as far as I'm aware.
Jul 22nd 2013 | 7:32 am
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Re: Trayvon case
I'd imagine you'd need to look for words like "timeline" or "map of the t" (T being the shape of the roads in the area of the shooting). They'll likely throw up some timed sequences of events.
Jul 22nd 2013 | 7:34 am
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Re: Trayvon case
I'm sure some exist. I watched the live streams during the case to get the sequence.
I'd imagine you'd need to look for words like "timeline" or "map of the t" (T being the shape of the roads in the area of the shooting). They'll likely throw up some timed sequences of events.
I'd imagine you'd need to look for words like "timeline" or "map of the t" (T being the shape of the roads in the area of the shooting). They'll likely throw up some timed sequences of events.
Jul 22nd 2013 | 7:40 am
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Re: Trayvon case
I don't usually have any interest in American court cases but being off work due to waiting for PR I had plenty of time unfortunately.
Those incredulous about the verdict are usually the ones who didn't look closely at the facts and law as it was portrayed in Florida. Or got their opinion off Nancy Grace.
I found some of it pretty strange myself but based on what was presented this was the only outcome that could have been reached I feel.
Others simply have massive chips on the shoulder to the extent they all went into misdirected racist rages against "white" people gaming the system. Zimmerman himself apparently doesn't even identify as simply "white". Seems he has a fairly mixed lineage including a black grandparent or some such.
Those incredulous about the verdict are usually the ones who didn't look closely at the facts and law as it was portrayed in Florida. Or got their opinion off Nancy Grace.
I found some of it pretty strange myself but based on what was presented this was the only outcome that could have been reached I feel.
Others simply have massive chips on the shoulder to the extent they all went into misdirected racist rages against "white" people gaming the system. Zimmerman himself apparently doesn't even identify as simply "white". Seems he has a fairly mixed lineage including a black grandparent or some such.
Jul 22nd 2013 | 7:45 am
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Re: Trayvon case
I don't usually have any interest in American court cases but being off work due to waiting for PR I had plenty of time unfortunately.
Those incredulous about the verdict are usually the ones who didn't look closely at the facts and law as it was portrayed in Florida. Or got their opinion off Nancy Grace.
I found some of it pretty strange myself but based on what was presented this was the only outcome that could have been reached I feel.
Others simply have massive chips on the shoulder to the extent they all went into misdirected racist rages against "white" people gaming the system. Zimmerman himself apparently doesn't even identify as simply "white". Seems he has a fairly mixed lineage including a black grandparent or some such.
Those incredulous about the verdict are usually the ones who didn't look closely at the facts and law as it was portrayed in Florida. Or got their opinion off Nancy Grace.
I found some of it pretty strange myself but based on what was presented this was the only outcome that could have been reached I feel.
Others simply have massive chips on the shoulder to the extent they all went into misdirected racist rages against "white" people gaming the system. Zimmerman himself apparently doesn't even identify as simply "white". Seems he has a fairly mixed lineage including a black grandparent or some such.
Jul 22nd 2013 | 8:16 am
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Re: Trayvon case
I don't usually have any interest in American court cases but being off work due to waiting for PR I had plenty of time unfortunately.
Those incredulous about the verdict are usually the ones who didn't look closely at the facts and law as it was portrayed in Florida. Or got their opinion off Nancy Grace.
I found some of it pretty strange myself but based on what was presented this was the only outcome that could have been reached I feel.
Others simply have massive chips on the shoulder to the extent they all went into misdirected racist rages against "white" people gaming the system. Zimmerman himself apparently doesn't even identify as simply "white". Seems he has a fairly mixed lineage including a black grandparent or some such.
Those incredulous about the verdict are usually the ones who didn't look closely at the facts and law as it was portrayed in Florida. Or got their opinion off Nancy Grace.
I found some of it pretty strange myself but based on what was presented this was the only outcome that could have been reached I feel.
Others simply have massive chips on the shoulder to the extent they all went into misdirected racist rages against "white" people gaming the system. Zimmerman himself apparently doesn't even identify as simply "white". Seems he has a fairly mixed lineage including a black grandparent or some such.
Jul 22nd 2013 | 8:18 am
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Re: Trayvon case
Jul 22nd 2013 | 8:18 am
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