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Old Jul 19th 2013, 11:15 pm
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Any views? Can't be faffed to read the articles on it but have heard some comments on it being a fair verdict and others on it being unfair...
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Old Jul 19th 2013, 11:19 pm
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Just like all of the people calling foul and stoking violence; I don't know enough of the facts to form a realistic opinion.

Trial by media?
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Just like all of the people calling foul and stoking violence; I don't know enough of the facts to form a realistic opinion.

Trial by media?
That's the issue. No one bothers to ascertain the facts and then decide that it was a travesty. All the legal commentators were adamant he wasn't going to be convicted if the jury considered the law and the evidence appropriately; they did and the Court of public opinion rejected it. Unfortunately lazy or dishonest journalism has much to answer for.

Roll on the next one.
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The Trayvon situation is one thing, but the fact that the same rule has been used to imprison a black woman for 20 years, this week, because she fired a gun at the ceiling and fired some warning shots, at her previously proven wife beater of a husband makes me somewhat puzzled. I actually think there is little or no difference between the life of a woman in the US and those who are in third world cultures, other than in the US women have even less respect. . I want to scream and shout, this is just sooo wrong. I would post a link, but I am pecking away on this blasted tablet...can one of you post a link for me please?

I thank heaven that I am not black on a regular basis. The whole world just gives black people less, they are just more disposable.....this isn't changing, it's getting worse.
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The Trayvon situation is one thing, but the fact that the same rule has been used to imprison a black woman for 20 years, this week, because she fired a gun at the ceiling and fired some warning shots, at her previously proven wife beater of a husband makes me somewhat puzzled. I actually think there is little or no difference between the life of a woman in the US and those who are in third world cultures, other than in the US women have even less respect. . I want to scream and shout, this is just sooo wrong. I would post a link, but I am pecking away on this blasted tablet...can one of you post a link for me please?

I thank heaven that I am not black on a regular basis. The whole world just gives black people less, they are just more disposable.....this isn't changing, it's getting worse.
Here you go
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...warning-shots/

My understanding was that Zimmerman did not use the Stand your Ground defence as he would have lost on that. The self defence arguement was used and as there were no real witnesses then there was doubt and so.....

The problem seems to be Florida's laws.
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My understanding was that Zimmerman did not use the Stand your Ground defence as he would have lost on that.
Stand Your Ground is irrelevant when you're on the ground with someone beating your head against it. There's nowhere else you can go.

As for the woman, as I understand it, she went outside, got a gun, came back and shot him. So that eliminated any self-defence claim.
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Stand Your Ground is irrelevant when you're on the ground with someone beating your head against it. There's nowhere else you can go.

As for the woman, as I understand it, she went outside, got a gun, came back and shot him. So that eliminated any self-defence claim.


The problem with this is the following:

With Trayvon- People are outraged because he was unarmed and GZ had a gun. Also many are saying if the roles were reversed would he had gotten away with it like GZ did.

As for the woman, She was being abused and fired a warning shot to scare the guy off but she got 20 yrs.

Many are saying how is that justice at all?


There are so many things wrong here I'm not sure where to begin, but racism, sexism, and bigotry jump right out there to the top of the list. And I think it's fair to say, Stand Your Ground laws work for some, but not others...


Which others do you think it won't work for?
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Any views? Can't be faffed to read the articles on it but have heard some comments on it being a fair verdict and others on it being unfair...
Discussed at length here:

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=801908

Law. Ass. Etc.
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Stand Your Ground is irrelevant when you're on the ground with someone beating your head against it. There's nowhere else you can go.

As for the woman, as I understand it, she went outside, got a gun, came back and shot him. So that eliminated any self-defence claim.
She shot at a wall, to try to get him to leave. Women usually need a weapon to defend themselves effectively especially against an abusive partner , it becomes rather more complicated than your portrayal.

Zimmerman caused the incident that led to Martin's death. He may be innocent in law but he is morally guilty. Stand your ground does not apply when you cause the interaction. I think that was how it was described.
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She shot at a wall, to try to get him to leave. Women usually need a weapon to defend themselves effectively especially against an abusive partner , it becomes rather more complicated than your portrayal.

Zimmerman caused the incident that led to Martin's death. He may be innocent in law but he is morally guilty. Stand your ground does not apply when you cause the interaction. I think that was how it was described.


I so agree with this if only he stayed in the car none of this took place
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Discussed at length here:

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=801908

Law. Ass. Etc.
Thanks. Completely missed that thread.
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Here you go
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...warning-shots/

The problem seems to be Florida's laws.
Bats thanks so much for that, who would move to Florida!
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Bats thanks so much for that, who would move to Florida!
Think of several hundred thousand Snowbirds who make Florida, Texas and Arizona their winter homes rather than freezing their asses off in Canada.
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As the reporter said, "her bet did not pay off"! In that case it seems the woman was instigating lethal force, nevertheless quite a punishment considering that no harm was done.
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Think of several hundred thousand Snowbirds who make Florida, Texas and Arizona their winter homes rather than freezing their asses off in Canada.
I haven't met any black snowbirds, have you? Mind you in this area there aren't many people who aren't white so it's hard for me to judge!
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