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Seems most of the recent mass shooters in the US were not on anyones radar and had not done anything prior to make it onto anyones radar.

While the individual in Toronto was known to have mental health issues is it known if he had told anyone recently of his thoughts and plans?

If not how would anyone know to place him in a long term facility?

For those who study mass shootings and shooters the conseus seems to be they are difficult to predict and a masd shooter is not necessairly mentally ill.

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Just this: Ten years ago is a long time. Edit; Mind you, some things that happened 10 years ago seem like it was yesterday. In any case they picked him up and looked him over. They can't incarcerate every person that has a dark thought or 2. Since the pistol came from Saskatoon I wonder if it could have been his brother's from his drug days there, so it's a pity that wasn't discovered when their friends were caught with 20 million worth of carfentanyl and 33 guns. If life was tv the police would have gotten warrants and shaken down every known associate to look for more.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4352671/d...rk-collegiate/

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Indeed. It seems to me that the key here is harm reduction. Some people will go bonkers at attempt to injure other people. What society can do is to strive to reduce their effectiveness and that can be done reducing the availability of tools; no one needs an automatic or semi-automatic gun, few people need handguns. Canada is subsidiary to the US in terms of gun control so all that has to be done is to persuade the NRA that they've got it all wrong.

And, yes, I know that gun control doesn't address rogue drivers, mass poisonings or aircraft hijacking. It's not a panacea.

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Apart from golf, none of those things is a pestilence on the rest of society.

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From random people being gunned down and the sadness of it........ to golf.

I shouldn't be surprised really should I, lol.
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I didn't even realise what thread I was on. I just saw the golf comment and remembered something coming up previously about clothing so posted that clip. :o

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"Not necessary" is a particularly unhelpful way to try a reductio ad absurdum argument, and it doesn't work. Not very many people deliberately set out to kill others with fishing rods or fast cars. Irresponsible use of an otherwise useful tool is a very different matter to the possession of a firearm which, so far beyond "not necessary," is expressly designed to do harm to others. Anything else is just the sort of whataboutism that is straight out of the NRA's playbook - and, as dbd said, one of the major hurdles in this entire societal mess is persuading the NRA that they are actually wrong about just about everything.

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Some muddled thinking there. You'd have to be out of your mind to choose a handgun for a mass shooting.

My criterion for banning items/activities, btw, is that unless something causes direct harm to people who have not chosen to participate there's no reason to ban it. Hand guns and automatic weapons, existing as they do to cause direct harm, are a reasonable thing to ban. Golf, while an activity for people who are a blight on society, is on the cusp - it's a stretch to argue that poisoning the ground, dressing badly and buying old man cars is directly harmful to others.

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Agreed, but the sensible remedies you allude to would be so objectionable to our more liberal minded citizens....if we can rehabilitate (according to selfie boy) terrorists, of the isis persuasion why not the perpetrators of gun related crime?

As to the banning of citizens having hand guns and assault rifles, I am sympathetic to this argument. On a personal note, I am aware of very limited legitimate reasons for anyone to have access to such firearms other than law enforcement agencies and the military.
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When did it become legal to carry a handgun in Ontario? It wasn't when I got my license and, at that time, although there were more legally held machine guns and assault rifles in Canada than in the US, they were all grandfathered. No new permits were being issued. All this talk of banning is nonsense, they're already banned.

Of course, it doesn't matter what's banned in Canada when there's an open border with the US so the route to reducing gun crime in Toronto is to reduce the influence of the NRA, elect Democrats, introduce gun control in the US and wait 100 years.

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Repeat if necessary.