Some updates.
Aug 9th 2017, 1:24 pm
#166
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Aug 2005
Location: South of Calgary
Posts: 13,375
Re: Some updates.
I am trying to better my skills, it's just funding though. I can't get into a school without paying tuition and that is the hurdle, and it's not a hurdle I created, it's a hurdle the government has by raising tuition beyond a point people can pay out of pocket. Student loans are not an option to everyone, and many short term non-degree training programs are not even eligible for student loans.
I have worked for many years trying to go back to school and finding funding, and there is funding if your eligible, the trick is finding it, and most it seems requires either unemployment, under employment, or having been on EI in the last X amount of years.
I spent several months working with a work BC person, unfortunately I got a job before I could get to the funding part, so now I am no longer eligible for their services.
So how does one who cannot pay the tuition rates, supposed to better their skills/training when they can't personally pay out of pocket?
Most short term programs seem to range around 7-10k and that isn't doable out of pocket on 13 and some change per hour.
I can only work with what is available to me. I have spent more time and effort trying to get back to school then you likely realize.
And I did ask my employer regarding the link Aviator left above, the answer was they don't see any benefit to the company, and are not interested.
I have worked for many years trying to go back to school and finding funding, and there is funding if your eligible, the trick is finding it, and most it seems requires either unemployment, under employment, or having been on EI in the last X amount of years.
I spent several months working with a work BC person, unfortunately I got a job before I could get to the funding part, so now I am no longer eligible for their services.
So how does one who cannot pay the tuition rates, supposed to better their skills/training when they can't personally pay out of pocket?
Most short term programs seem to range around 7-10k and that isn't doable out of pocket on 13 and some change per hour.
I can only work with what is available to me. I have spent more time and effort trying to get back to school then you likely realize.
And I did ask my employer regarding the link Aviator left above, the answer was they don't see any benefit to the company, and are not interested.
From your recent posts, it appears that you wish to obtain some, relatively, basic qualifications. Here's an idea: go to your local library, take out some books and teach yourself. I am very, very confident that there will be books that will enable you to do so. I accept it will take some time but it will not cost you anything like the amount of money you suggest (FFS my daughter's engineering degree is only costing her $4,500 a year in tuition so I fail to see how maths 101 will cost double that).
While at the library, try and make some friends with the staff. See if they are aware of anyone that will assist you. I bet that there will be a retired teacher somewhere that will be willing to do so. Buy them gifts every now and then.
I appreciate that you mental health issues mean that you find it easier to look at the downsides to everything rather than the upside but, as I said above, what you have done in the past hasn't worked and you need to find a new way forward.
And, please, please, please, stop telling me that I don't understand how hard life can be for others. We get it and I'd wager that I have had to deal with far more difficulties in my life than you have had to deal with in yours. Life is not easy for most people so stop using that as an excuse.
Aug 9th 2017, 2:32 pm
#167
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Re: Some updates.
Upgrading classes isnt the issue.
The issue is the cost of the actual training for the program that will train me for a specific job.
You cannot self teach yourself that.
I am not putting up the hurdle the school is by making tuition too high that people can afford.
If I could afford the tuition I could have started last September, Jan or next month.
The only hurdle is tuition and that hurdle is not my doing.
The cost of your daughters engineering degree isnt relevant as I am not interested in an engineering degree.
Copy and pasted directly from the VCC website, the total costs of tuition but not books and supplies.
2 of the classes are pre reqs. The higher cost ones is the actual program.
Length
16 weeks
Certificate
Interpersonal Communications - Health (MSKL 1104)
course schedule schedule 1.0 credits $387.48
Medical Device Reprocessing Clinical (MDRT 1211)
course schedule schedule 20.0 credits $6,729.00
Medical Device Reprocessing Theory (MDRT 1201)
course schedule schedule 7.0 credits $2,357.00
Medical Terminology 1 (OACP 1108)
course schedule schedule 2.5 credits $238.04
As you can see the total cost is 9,711 before books and other misc costs and fees.
Not sure why people think someone with low income could ever pay that amount out of pocket.
The issue is the cost of the actual training for the program that will train me for a specific job.
You cannot self teach yourself that.
I am not putting up the hurdle the school is by making tuition too high that people can afford.
If I could afford the tuition I could have started last September, Jan or next month.
The only hurdle is tuition and that hurdle is not my doing.
The cost of your daughters engineering degree isnt relevant as I am not interested in an engineering degree.
Copy and pasted directly from the VCC website, the total costs of tuition but not books and supplies.
2 of the classes are pre reqs. The higher cost ones is the actual program.
Length
16 weeks
Certificate
Interpersonal Communications - Health (MSKL 1104)
course schedule schedule 1.0 credits $387.48
Medical Device Reprocessing Clinical (MDRT 1211)
course schedule schedule 20.0 credits $6,729.00
Medical Device Reprocessing Theory (MDRT 1201)
course schedule schedule 7.0 credits $2,357.00
Medical Terminology 1 (OACP 1108)
course schedule schedule 2.5 credits $238.04
As you can see the total cost is 9,711 before books and other misc costs and fees.
Not sure why people think someone with low income could ever pay that amount out of pocket.
Last edited by scrubbedexpat091; Aug 9th 2017 at 2:34 pm.
Aug 9th 2017, 2:44 pm
#168
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Joined: Jun 2011
Location: Oakville, ON, CA
Posts: 8,320
Re: Some updates.
When you look at the course schedules for those courses on the VCC website, I'm not surprised!! It's 16 weeks of FULL TIME school, the classes are like 8 hours long. So yeah, of course the costs are going to be higher.
Can you look into doing some of them part-time instead?
For example, I found a Medical Device Reprocessing Technician course, that's 1 year to complete part-time as a correspondence course (so you don't have to factor in travel time and costs), and it's just over $1k.
Medical Device Reprocessing Technician - Correspondence Course - Vancouver Community College
It's not the full certification, but it's a start....
Can you look into doing some of them part-time instead?
For example, I found a Medical Device Reprocessing Technician course, that's 1 year to complete part-time as a correspondence course (so you don't have to factor in travel time and costs), and it's just over $1k.
Medical Device Reprocessing Technician - Correspondence Course - Vancouver Community College
It's not the full certification, but it's a start....
Aug 9th 2017, 4:04 pm
#169
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Aug 2005
Location: South of Calgary
Posts: 13,375
Re: Some updates.
Upgrading classes isnt the issue.
The issue is the cost of the actual training for the program that will train me for a specific job.
You cannot self teach yourself that.
I am not putting up the hurdle the school is by making tuition too high that people can afford.
If I could afford the tuition I could have started last September, Jan or next month.
The only hurdle is tuition and that hurdle is not my doing.
The cost of your daughters engineering degree isnt relevant as I am not interested in an engineering degree.
Copy and pasted directly from the VCC website, the total costs of tuition but not books and supplies.
2 of the classes are pre reqs. The higher cost ones is the actual program.
Length
16 weeks
Certificate
Interpersonal Communications - Health (MSKL 1104)
course schedule schedule 1.0 credits $387.48
Medical Device Reprocessing Clinical (MDRT 1211)
course schedule schedule 20.0 credits $6,729.00
Medical Device Reprocessing Theory (MDRT 1201)
course schedule schedule 7.0 credits $2,357.00
Medical Terminology 1 (OACP 1108)
course schedule schedule 2.5 credits $238.04
As you can see the total cost is 9,711 before books and other misc costs and fees.
Not sure why people think someone with low income could ever pay that amount out of pocket.
The issue is the cost of the actual training for the program that will train me for a specific job.
You cannot self teach yourself that.
I am not putting up the hurdle the school is by making tuition too high that people can afford.
If I could afford the tuition I could have started last September, Jan or next month.
The only hurdle is tuition and that hurdle is not my doing.
The cost of your daughters engineering degree isnt relevant as I am not interested in an engineering degree.
Copy and pasted directly from the VCC website, the total costs of tuition but not books and supplies.
2 of the classes are pre reqs. The higher cost ones is the actual program.
Length
16 weeks
Certificate
Interpersonal Communications - Health (MSKL 1104)
course schedule schedule 1.0 credits $387.48
Medical Device Reprocessing Clinical (MDRT 1211)
course schedule schedule 20.0 credits $6,729.00
Medical Device Reprocessing Theory (MDRT 1201)
course schedule schedule 7.0 credits $2,357.00
Medical Terminology 1 (OACP 1108)
course schedule schedule 2.5 credits $238.04
As you can see the total cost is 9,711 before books and other misc costs and fees.
Not sure why people think someone with low income could ever pay that amount out of pocket.
Over to you.
Aug 9th 2017, 4:19 pm
#170
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Location: SW Ontario
Posts: 19,879
Re: Some updates.
JS, how about taking one of the pre-requisits first (Medical Terminology perhaps) and see how you get on? I have seen the same course available online (distance learning) where you can work at your own pace, so perhaps that would be easier to do and enable you to continue to work?
Aug 9th 2017, 6:00 pm
#171
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Joined: Jan 2008
Location: Moncton, NB, CANADA
Posts: 50,862
Re: Some updates.
Tell you what. I, fortunately, can afford to fund that for you...Over to you.
Possible?
Aug 10th 2017, 1:44 am
#172
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Joined: Mar 2014
Location: Okanagan
Posts: 4,899
Re: Some updates.
Tell you what. I, fortunately, can afford to fund that for you. I will do so on the basis that, so long as you are obtaining passing grades, no repayment is necessary at that time. When you finish the courses or you fail, you begin to repay my outlay at $100 a month until it is repaid. No interest, no additional payments.
Over to you.
Over to you.
Holy cow.... That is a seriously good offer JS, grab it whilst you can -nice one AC
Lovely offer AC.
Aug 10th 2017, 3:05 am
#175
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Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 38,613
Re: Some updates.
I am working all sorts of shifts currently, early mornings, nights, and sometimes both shifts in a day. Not being forced to though, easier to work more at 1 job then to find another job requiring another commute.
Other half isn't working anymore due to some relapse, not as bad as last time, but work isn't in the cards at the moment, but this time we has quick access to doctor and RX change so I think it might be easier this time around.
She is a lovely lady is your wife and I really hope that she is a whole lot better soon as is possible although I know it isn't at all easy .I obviously can read that you are once again looking for ways to alter the circumstances for you both. I will just say here fair play to you both for making the move that you both have and managing to find , stick with and pass those exams for your current job. Well done you.
Is the phlebotomist idea out the window. Short interaction with people. A helpful worthwhile job which is always needed somewhere. We have dedicated medlabs for that here . Is it the same there?
I just think that for any training or redirection you need to think how to keep the pressure for you to the minimum. Not just for you but also for your wife right now. Work , even if you don't much like it, is healthy so you need to keep on with that - my opinion only of course . Perhaps something part time where you are given what to learn with assessments to pass and some one to one hands on help with that.
Meanwhile you keep on doing as well as you are. You are not my family but I am proud of you.
Aug 10th 2017, 3:40 am
#176
Still alive
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 28,994
Re: Some updates.
Upgrading classes isnt the issue.
The issue is the cost of the actual training for the program that will train me for a specific job.
You cannot self teach yourself that.
I am not putting up the hurdle the school is by making tuition too high that people can afford.
If I could afford the tuition I could have started last September, Jan or next month.
The only hurdle is tuition and that hurdle is not my doing.
The cost of your daughters engineering degree isnt relevant as I am not interested in an engineering degree.
Copy and pasted directly from the VCC website, the total costs of tuition but not books and supplies.
2 of the classes are pre reqs. The higher cost ones is the actual program.
Length
16 weeks
Certificate
Interpersonal Communications - Health (MSKL 1104)
course schedule schedule 1.0 credits $387.48
Medical Device Reprocessing Clinical (MDRT 1211)
course schedule schedule 20.0 credits $6,729.00
Medical Device Reprocessing Theory (MDRT 1201)
course schedule schedule 7.0 credits $2,357.00
Medical Terminology 1 (OACP 1108)
course schedule schedule 2.5 credits $238.04
As you can see the total cost is 9,711 before books and other misc costs and fees.
Not sure why people think someone with low income could ever pay that amount out of pocket.
The issue is the cost of the actual training for the program that will train me for a specific job.
You cannot self teach yourself that.
I am not putting up the hurdle the school is by making tuition too high that people can afford.
If I could afford the tuition I could have started last September, Jan or next month.
The only hurdle is tuition and that hurdle is not my doing.
The cost of your daughters engineering degree isnt relevant as I am not interested in an engineering degree.
Copy and pasted directly from the VCC website, the total costs of tuition but not books and supplies.
2 of the classes are pre reqs. The higher cost ones is the actual program.
Length
16 weeks
Certificate
Interpersonal Communications - Health (MSKL 1104)
course schedule schedule 1.0 credits $387.48
Medical Device Reprocessing Clinical (MDRT 1211)
course schedule schedule 20.0 credits $6,729.00
Medical Device Reprocessing Theory (MDRT 1201)
course schedule schedule 7.0 credits $2,357.00
Medical Terminology 1 (OACP 1108)
course schedule schedule 2.5 credits $238.04
As you can see the total cost is 9,711 before books and other misc costs and fees.
Not sure why people think someone with low income could ever pay that amount out of pocket.
Aug 10th 2017, 3:42 am
#177
Still alive
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 28,994
Re: Some updates.
Tell you what. I, fortunately, can afford to fund that for you. I will do so on the basis that, so long as you are obtaining passing grades, no repayment is necessary at that time. When you finish the courses or you fail, you begin to repay my outlay at $100 a month until it is repaid. No interest, no additional payments.
Over to you.
Over to you.
Aug 10th 2017, 1:23 pm
#178
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Joined: Jun 2011
Location: Oakville, ON, CA
Posts: 8,320
Re: Some updates.
Tell you what. I, fortunately, can afford to fund that for you. I will do so on the basis that, so long as you are obtaining passing grades, no repayment is necessary at that time. When you finish the courses or you fail, you begin to repay my outlay at $100 a month until it is repaid. No interest, no additional payments.
Over to you.
Over to you.
.... amazing offer. JS, I hope you take him up on this.
Aug 10th 2017, 1:36 pm
#179
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Joined: Aug 2013
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 6,678
Re: Some updates.
Pending the ability to get some sort of financial assistance, I may go and upgrade my math in the fall to grade 11 level. My math abilities are poor so who knows if I'll pass or not, but will give school one last try.
Figure if I can't pass math this time, I really have to find some sort of way to obtain a decent job without any additional schooling...
4th or 5th attempt at upgrading math, I just can't seem to learn math beyond the basics...
Figure if I can't pass math this time, I really have to find some sort of way to obtain a decent job without any additional schooling...
4th or 5th attempt at upgrading math, I just can't seem to learn math beyond the basics...
Doesn't BC provide FREE high school courses to adults for them to achieve the high school diploma?
Take High School Courses - Province of British Columbia
Aug 10th 2017, 11:39 pm
#180
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Joined: Jan 2006
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Re: Some updates.
I have a high school diploma so didn't qualify for the free upgrading. The new NDP government has announced it will be going back to tuition free adult upgrading (it was previously tuition free, then a couple of years ago the BC Liberals decided it shouldn't be.)
The announcement was just made 2 days ago, so unsure if the websites have been updated.
To the others, I agree AC's offer is generous, and I have sent him a PM.
The announcement was just made 2 days ago, so unsure if the websites have been updated.
eh!
Doesn't BC provide FREE high school courses to adults for them to achieve the high school diploma?
Take High School Courses - Province of British Columbia
Doesn't BC provide FREE high school courses to adults for them to achieve the high school diploma?
Take High School Courses - Province of British Columbia
To the others, I agree AC's offer is generous, and I have sent him a PM.