Satanists in prisons
Sep 7th 2012 | 6:25 am
#16
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Re: Satanists in prisons
define Pagan...........
Because in the current 20th century use of the word, virtually none of the so called pagan religions have any connection to the original Celtic and Nordic origins other than stealing the symbology
The only religions than might be linked back and could possibly be called pagan are one in Iceland and one in Latvia, neither are in use outside of their respective countries..
You can make it look old, but that doesn’t make it old
From my understanding all the so called pagan religions we see around today almost all have their roots in 18th to 19th century Romanticism
Because in the current 20th century use of the word, virtually none of the so called pagan religions have any connection to the original Celtic and Nordic origins other than stealing the symbology
The only religions than might be linked back and could possibly be called pagan are one in Iceland and one in Latvia, neither are in use outside of their respective countries..
You can make it look old, but that doesn’t make it old
From my understanding all the so called pagan religions we see around today almost all have their roots in 18th to 19th century Romanticism
The title of the thread also shows what a success the Christians did of demonizing women and 'others'. Linking Satanism and Wicca just demonstrates the ignorance of some.
Sep 7th 2012 | 6:44 am
#17
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Re: Satanists in prisons
I have got a lot more time for Wicca than for most interpretations of Christianity. Being old does not make it better or worse, it has nothing to do with the price of cheese.
The title of the thread also shows what a success the Christians did of demonizing women and 'others'. Linking Satanism and Wicca just demonstrates the ignorance of some.
The title of the thread also shows what a success the Christians did of demonizing women and 'others'. Linking Satanism and Wicca just demonstrates the ignorance of some.
My only interest is to look at it from an historical anthropological approach. see it as documenting societies gullibility over time, and how a few have used it to manipulate a lot of people for their own ends, and I struggle to understand in an internet connected first world why it still has such following
Sep 7th 2012 | 6:52 am
#18
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Re: Satanists in prisons
I have no time for religion, I’ll accept some tell bigger lies than others, but they all lie.
My only interest is to look at it from an historical anthropological approach. see it as documenting societies gullibility over time, and how a few have used it to manipulate a lot of people for their own ends, and I struggle to understand in an internet connected first world why it still has such following
My only interest is to look at it from an historical anthropological approach. see it as documenting societies gullibility over time, and how a few have used it to manipulate a lot of people for their own ends, and I struggle to understand in an internet connected first world why it still has such following
Sep 7th 2012 | 6:53 am
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Re: Satanists in prisons
I have no time for religion, I’ll accept some tell bigger lies than others, but they all lie.
My only interest is to look at it from an historical anthropological approach. see it as documenting societies gullibility over time, and how a few have used it to manipulate a lot of people for their own ends, and I struggle to understand in an internet connected first world why it still has such following
My only interest is to look at it from an historical anthropological approach. see it as documenting societies gullibility over time, and how a few have used it to manipulate a lot of people for their own ends, and I struggle to understand in an internet connected first world why it still has such following
Personally Im skeptical about the existence or need of any God, but I know enough people who do believe to see that their faith in something that I dont see is a source of strength and comfort to them.
Live and let live.
Sep 7th 2012 | 6:57 am
#20
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Re: Satanists in prisons
I was calling BS on its claim on going back to pre-Christian times..
As to validity of any religion, IMHO if you’re ready to believe in something without any evidence, or evidence that with little research is fabricated then that’s a choice, a poor choice but still your choice
As to validity of any religion, IMHO if you’re ready to believe in something without any evidence, or evidence that with little research is fabricated then that’s a choice, a poor choice but still your choice
Paganism was around before christianity, most of christianity is based on paganism, including the major teachings and religious holidays.
Paganism just means indigenous religion and is very vague. I have a feeling you know this already, but hey ho.
Sep 7th 2012 | 7:01 am
#21
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Re: Satanists in prisons
I have no time for religion, I’ll accept some tell bigger lies than others, but they all lie.
My only interest is to look at it from an historical anthropological approach. see it as documenting societies gullibility over time, and how a few have used it to manipulate a lot of people for their own ends, and I struggle to understand in an internet connected first world why it still has such following
My only interest is to look at it from an historical anthropological approach. see it as documenting societies gullibility over time, and how a few have used it to manipulate a lot of people for their own ends, and I struggle to understand in an internet connected first world why it still has such following
Sep 7th 2012 | 7:02 am
#22
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Re: Satanists in prisons
From my observation of Wicca, I'd say it is more of a set of tools that people use to navigate life than a religion. I find it hard to imagine people being lied to, as for most it is a pick and mix bag. Maybe there are those that follow a leader with a fixed view and order; my exposure to it has not been extensive.
In the time I knew him, hecarefully used this rhetoric and BS to get into the knickers of many young women when they joined this so called ancient and natural religion, needless to say that coven had a relatively high turnover as he happily use his religious position to justify his behavior
Sep 7th 2012 | 7:13 am
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Sep 7th 2012 | 7:15 am
#25
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Re: Satanists in prisons
That how I make arbitrary decisions as a mod anyway...
WWSD
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Sep 7th 2012 | 7:23 am
#26
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Re: Satanists in prisons
As MikeUK appears to suggest that faith is for numpties, I am curious as to where the source of his belief of right and wrong comes from.
Sep 7th 2012 | 7:29 am
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Re: Satanists in prisons
I see no reason why any given society could not develop a moral code which sets out acceptable rights and wrongs; it doesn't need to have constructs of omniscient beings or an afterlife.
Sep 7th 2012 | 7:31 am
#28
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Re: Satanists in prisons
a simple do what you’d like other to do to you too.. not too hard to get to is it..
and I struggle to see why given religions history in getting its rights and wrongs as it were at best warped & twisted or at worst wrong how it can think it even has a chance of holding any moral high ground on thinking it established any credibility in the rules department..
Sep 7th 2012 | 7:36 am
#29
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Re: Satanists in prisons
I don't disagree with you. What I am asking is: Where can this moral code be found?
Sep 7th 2012 | 7:36 am
#30
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Re: Satanists in prisons
"A survey of fellows of the Royal Society found that only 3.3 per cent believed in God at a time when a poll reported that 68.5 per cent of the general UK population were believers."
