Jingsamichty

I'm sure there is not a single person involved in the process who doesn't find it 'regrettable'. The one thing they don't need added to that is judgement or dogmatic emotional blackmail.

iaink

On the other hand the medical community tends to sanitize the process and shield the reality of it from those having to make this terrible choice, so thats hardly a level playing field either.

Sally Redux

They have brought in the requirement for the woman (well, the poor ones) to have a transvaginal scan showing the foetus in some states here. She then has to wait a day before undergoing the procedure. She is not physically forced to look at it as in 'A Clockwork Orange', maybe that should be added.

Shard

Yes, well said.

It's a slippery slope from good intentions to manipulation.

Jingsamichty

OK, you win through persistence if not persuasion. Let's ban abortions but keep guns.

bats

Oh not all of them do believe me. Some are vehemently anti and don't help with a referral. I once had the task of accompanying someone to a Toronto clinic. This was maybe 20 years ago. We passed all those posters and placards, were escorted in the back door by security. The termination was done under local anaesthetic and conscious sedation as the anti crowd meant it was unsafe to use a general.

I've been the sonographer doing the dating scan for bereft, tearful patients. I've also known women use social termination as contraception.

My own feelings are in the main against abortion but I would never, ever, say that it should not be a woman's right to be able to access safe, non judgemental termination.

Teaandtoday5

Agreed. In fact I admire your restraint. One of the worst, and most horrible pro-life arguments I've ever heard.

MillieF

Well said, and in this province we need escorts to get women into the clinics, as the 'pro lifers' shout and spit on distressed women entering the doors....not for much longer however...as our Morgentaler Clinic closes its doors in July! Then it's every woman for herself, and the sales of gin and wire coat hangers will no doubt go up.

Back on topic...I have in the past donated to various animal and anti vivisection charities, unfortunately at one point, once they had my name and address and they pinpointed me with such distressing literature and photos that I could not open my postbox!
It was quite dreadful, and now I never donate so they shot themselves in the foot there.

ExKiwilass

Oh FFS.

A few things:

1. A fetus being terminated at 5 months' gestation is really quite unusual, but I guess if you're a wild-eyed anti-abortion protestor then sending a pic of a clump of cells, which is what most abortions consist of, lacks the desired impact. The vast majority of abortions are done fairly early in the pregnancy. But hey, why let facts get in the way.

2. I'm really effing tired up to my back teeth of the 'inconvenience' argument or this naive idea, for naive it is, that being pregnant for 9 months and then giving a child up for adoption is somehow a realistic alternative to an abortion for a lot of people. It's not. Might I suggest doing some reading how women make the decision to have an abortion - "The Abortion Myth" is a good place to start. Another good, nuanced piece about abortion is here: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/kerrycl...b_5316747.html.

3. Childless couples who think other women should be forced to have children they don't want so they can adopt them are sick.

GRAH.

mandymoochops

But they don't see themselves as that way do they . They a) want a pat on the back for being holier than thou and anti abortion b) think they can get something out of it in the end

And Iains argument about them wanting to start with a clean slate because fostering the 'damaged' ones isn't working out is total bullshit.

All I am envisaging are 2 god bothering childless middle class retards thinking they are doing everyone a favour with their views

Teaandtoday5

Beaverstate

I am consistent, I'm pro death penalty and at least ambivalent on abortion.

Suppose I'm going to hell on both counts.

Teaandtoday5

I fail to see the relationship between state-sanctioned murder to satisfy the public's desire for revenge, and the right of a women to control what happens to her own body. See you in hell.

Beaverstate

It seems to me that both need to be state sanctioned, at least round here.

The4BellsLondon

HOw would they know that the Feotus is any good?? Many women don't initially know when they are pregnant and thus carry on drinking / smoking/ drug taking . . . . .