Remembrance Day
Nov 11th 2009 | 9:43 am
#78
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Re: Remembrance Day
Well I don't get a holiday. My vet is still at work. He doesn't take a minute today so would seem disrespectful. He does take several minutes each day to remember, but he does it privately.
Nov 11th 2009 | 9:44 am
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Re: Remembrance Day
One day, that doesnt seem a lot to ask under the circumstances, this isnt like religion where you have to put 1/7th of your time into it
Nov 11th 2009 | 9:48 am
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Re: Remembrance Day
Doesnt that rather make it like, well, every other day. Which kind of negates the whole point of having a day put aside for us civies to dwell on these things?
One day, that doesnt seem a lot to ask under the circumstances, this isnt like religion where you have to put 1/7th of your time into it
One day, that doesnt seem a lot to ask under the circumstances, this isnt like religion where you have to put 1/7th of your time into it
Nov 11th 2009 | 9:50 am
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Re: Remembrance Day
Iain, what I meant was that my husband is an ex serviceman and suffers from PTSD. So everyday he remembers those who died right next to him. He doesn't go to the Cenotaph, nor wears a poppy, nor does a minutes silence. To those who don't know this his behaviour would seem disrespectful, but it isnt.
maybe Alan has PTSD too, it might explain a few things.
I was referring to the general public who don't tend to dwell on these things.
Nov 11th 2009 | 9:52 am
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Re: Remembrance Day
And nor should they have to if they don't want to. Isn't that the point of freedom - we get to choose what we care about and how we show it.
Nov 11th 2009 | 10:01 am
#86
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Re: Remembrance Day
Probably too late to add to this... but Nov 11th is a very different occasion in many parts of Germany.
On this date and at 11 minutes past 11 am, "elf nach elf am elfte elfte" in German, is when the preparations start for the Carnival Parade on Rosenmontag (Rose Monday,the day before Shrove Tuesday or Mardi Gras).
The"clubs", Karnevalverein, which organize the parades (mostly in areas once occupied by Napoleon Bonaparte, i.e. in the Rheinland) drink extremely large amounts of alcohol and spill out on to the streets in spontaneous appreciation of Bacchus. Everybody else goes to watch. Great fun, but not very conducive to sober reflection on the events of WW1.
BTW, the reason for the choice of the time and date is that the German for 11, elf, subversively references the slogan of the French Revolution "Egalite, Liberte et Fraternite " But the French were too thick to work it out.
Sorry for taking up your time.
On this date and at 11 minutes past 11 am, "elf nach elf am elfte elfte" in German, is when the preparations start for the Carnival Parade on Rosenmontag (Rose Monday,the day before Shrove Tuesday or Mardi Gras).
The"clubs", Karnevalverein, which organize the parades (mostly in areas once occupied by Napoleon Bonaparte, i.e. in the Rheinland) drink extremely large amounts of alcohol and spill out on to the streets in spontaneous appreciation of Bacchus. Everybody else goes to watch. Great fun, but not very conducive to sober reflection on the events of WW1.
BTW, the reason for the choice of the time and date is that the German for 11, elf, subversively references the slogan of the French Revolution "Egalite, Liberte et Fraternite " But the French were too thick to work it out.
Sorry for taking up your time.
One forgets amidst all this remembrance stuff that until the 20th century it was (sometimes/usually/always delete as applicable) those dastardly Frenchies who were the aggressors.
Nov 11th 2009 | 10:10 am
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Re: Remembrance Day
I would ask if you (not you in particular df, but anyone) think that WW1 was a 'just' war. Everyone says that WW2 was, but that war happened as a direct consequence of WW1.
Nov 11th 2009 | 10:10 am
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Re: Remembrance Day
We are all too ready to judge others sentiment, but its it’s this sort of intolerance that makes people with Alzheimer's such easy targets of ridicule on Remembrance Day.
Last edited by Oink; Nov 11th 2009 at 10:13 am.
Nov 11th 2009 | 10:22 am
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Re: Remembrance Day
Apart from the Cenotaph being broadcast live for the past 50 odd years. Thats 3 hours of TV coverage plus all the news reports and local news.
This thing local business taking out ads on the Lest We Forget page. It seems a bit tacky to me, using Remembrance Day to drum up trade.
This thing local business taking out ads on the Lest We Forget page. It seems a bit tacky to me, using Remembrance Day to drum up trade.
Agreed about the businesses taking ads, although they were quite tastefully done. Also they weren't "Blenkinsop & Sons wish to honour....." and things like that. They typically just had poppies and statements like 'never forget' and the logos or company names were mostly unobtrusive.
Except for Home Hardware.
Nov 11th 2009 | 10:43 am
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