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Helen Parnell Nov 11th 2009 1:46 am

Remembrance Day
 
Today 11th November is a stat holiday in Alberta and all the remembrance services are held today. At 11am we will stand for two minutes in Remembrance. Over in Ottawa and throughout the world our Prime Minister and all other world leaders will do the same.

So why does the UK have all the major Remembrance day services with the Royal Family and politicians at the Cenotaph on the sunday nearest to 11th.?

Why did some one decide that a Sunday near to 11th is better than the actual day. 16 million people died in WW1 and so why did someone say 'we will remember you on a day close by?

this post is not intended to upset or offend anyone, I just would like to know why and I am sure someone on the expats site will know.

JT1 Nov 11th 2009 2:32 am

Re: Remembrance Day
 
I always thought that the services were held on the nearest Sunday so that more people could join in, maybe without the need for declaring a public holiday. Less traffic for processions to Cenotaphs, no need to take off work etc. From being a kid, I always watched the service from the Royal Albert Hall, went to special Church services on the Sunday but always - and still do - go somewhere quiet at 11am on the 11th for reflection and to give thanks for those who gave to us.

I find it incredibly sad and hurtful that kids and young people either don't know or don't care about this important date.

dbd33 Nov 11th 2009 2:34 am

Re: Remembrance Day
 

Originally Posted by JT1 (Post 8090301)
I find it incredibly sad and hurtful that kids and young people either don't know or don't care about this important date.

Do you know that to be the case?

Elaine B. Nov 11th 2009 2:39 am

Re: Remembrance Day
 
When my son went to School in Toronto (JK & SK) they learned about remembrance Day unfortunately it's not even mentioned in school here.

Helen Parnell Nov 11th 2009 2:41 am

Re: Remembrance Day
 

Originally Posted by JT1 (Post 8090301)
I always thought that the services were held on the nearest Sunday so that more people could join in, maybe without the need for declaring a public holiday. Less traffic for processions to Cenotaphs, no need to take off work etc.


I suspect you are right. But why not take a day of work, make it a bank holiday!

i just think it is very sad that bank holidays are at other times of year for religious and other reasons, but something as so important as this is not in the UK a bank holiday list.

I do not know how many people died from the UK in the first world war but I am sure if we add to the Second World War and all other conflicts including over 230 people recently in Afghanistan, we are talking a lot of millions!

JT1 Nov 11th 2009 2:44 am

Re: Remembrance Day
 
Finger trouble - this is in response to dbd33.

Sadly, and in general, yes.

SNOWDUDE Nov 11th 2009 3:12 am

Re: Remembrance Day
 

Originally Posted by Helen Parnell (Post 8090196)
Today 11th November is a stat holiday in Alberta and all the remembrance services are held today. At 11am we will stand for two minutes in Remembrance. Over in Ottawa and throughout the world our Prime Minister and all other world leaders will do the same.

So why does the UK have all the major Remembrance day services with the Royal Family and politicians at the Cenotaph on the sunday nearest to 11th.?

Why did some one decide that a Sunday near to 11th is better than the actual day. 16 million people died in WW1 and so why did someone say 'we will remember you on a day close by?

this post is not intended to upset or offend anyone, I just would like to know why and I am sure someone on the expats site will know.

Remembrance day would be a fitting & noble reason to insert a much needed public holiday into what is the longest run without a holiday in the whole year i.e late summer bank holiday to Christmas day, this year amounting to nearly 21 weeks!

I would still keep Remembrance Sunday though as the main day for parades etc.

Steve_P Nov 11th 2009 3:15 am

Re: Remembrance Day
 

Originally Posted by Helen Parnell (Post 8090196)
Today 11th November is a stat holiday in Alberta and all the remembrance services are held today.

Many, many Albertans don't take this day as intended but instead trade it for an extra day off at Christmas.

Helen Parnell Nov 11th 2009 3:22 am

Re: Remembrance Day
 

Originally Posted by SNOWDUDE (Post 8090367)
Remembrance day would be a fitting & noble reason to insert a much needed public holiday into what is the longest run without a holiday in the whole year i.e late summer bank holiday to Christmas day, this year amounting to nearly 21 weeks!

I would still keep Remembrance Sunday though as the main day for parades etc.

Sorry is that not missing the point. Have a day off on the 11th as break in a long spell without one, but still have the parades on the Sunday.

'If we have an extra day off we don't want to waste it going to a parade' attitude.

When I lived in the UK i was in Met Police and so of course worked many Remembrance sundays. I thought they were great, good, etc. But when I moved to Cochrane I found it more profound. The schools did a service the day before (they are off on the 11th) all the offices have remembrance wreaths, and in the first year i was here 10% of the town went to the service and did the march to the war memorial. I just thought 10% was a lot more than what i had seen in the UK services.

Alan2005 Nov 11th 2009 3:26 am

Re: Remembrance Day
 

Originally Posted by Helen Parnell (Post 8090196)
Today 11th November is a stat holiday in Alberta and all the remembrance services are held today. At 11am we will stand for two minutes in Remembrance. Over in Ottawa and throughout the world our Prime Minister and all other world leaders will do the same.

So why does the UK have all the major Remembrance day services with the Royal Family and politicians at the Cenotaph on the sunday nearest to 11th.?

Why did some one decide that a Sunday near to 11th is better than the actual day. 16 million people died in WW1 and so why did someone say 'we will remember you on a day close by?

this post is not intended to upset or offend anyone, I just would like to know why and I am sure someone on the expats site will know.

Somebody answered this question already. It's cos they didn't want to shut production down in the UK during the second world war. And really does it matter? The 16 million dead don't know one way or the other do they.

Helen Parnell Nov 11th 2009 3:28 am

Re: Remembrance Day
 

Originally Posted by Steve_P (Post 8090372)
Many, many Albertans don't take this day as intended but instead trade it for an extra day off at Christmas.


That is their choice, but the banks, buisnesses, schools are all shut today.

Shops are going to stay open, but that happens every where now in the world. It is only a matter of time that we can all go shopping at Walmart or Marks and Spencers on Christmas day.

Helen Parnell Nov 11th 2009 3:32 am

Re: Remembrance Day
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8090397)
Somebody answered this question already. It's cos they didn't want to shut production down in the UK during the second world war. And really does it matter? The 16 million dead don't know one way or the other do they.

Thanks, I suppose it made sense at that time.

Alan2005 Nov 11th 2009 3:42 am

Re: Remembrance Day
 

Originally Posted by Helen Parnell (Post 8090409)
That is their choice, but the banks, buisnesses, schools are all shut today.

Shops are going to stay open, but that happens every where now in the world. It is only a matter of time that we can all go shopping at Walmart or Marks and Spencers on Christmas day.

I don't see this as a problem. For some these days are important, for others they aren't.

JonboyE Nov 11th 2009 3:47 am

Re: Remembrance Day
 

Originally Posted by JT1 (Post 8090314)
Finger trouble - this is in response to dbd33.

Sadly, and in general, yes.

But not in Canada. As Elaine said, children are taught the reason for remembrance day in schools.

JT1 Nov 11th 2009 3:51 am

Re: Remembrance Day
 
Christmas Day is specific to religion (doesn't stop people who aren't part of that religion taking advantage of it though does it?). As for Armistice Day being remembered - I say most definitely and it's an insult to those who died in all the wars not to.

16.5 million dead is for WW1 only, add to that the 70 million or so in WW2 plus subsequent wars and that's not counting the millions injured.


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