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How would I remember, I pay scant attention to the man. My point is that the structure of iced hockey in Canada is such as to encourage abuse of boys. Perhaps more importantly, it's a structure geared to denying the participants proper education. Don Cherry is part of the iced hockey infrastructure and so is, indirectly, culpable in the cases of the victims (not specifically but in the way that the Pope is to blame for the victims of priests). I don't think this matters to expats as neither we nor our children are likely to get dragged into junior iced hockey leagues here. Nonetheless, it's no good to say that Don Cherry, is acceptable public figure because he's less involved in abuse than Jimmy Saville. On the face of it, he's more involved; Saville hasn't been convicted of abuse and wasn't involved in any bureaucratic system that encouraged abuse.

I didn't bring up Jimmy Saville, btw, I would accept that Don Cherry is less of a shit than, say, Ian Brady.

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I know I have had a couple of glasses of wine, but I can't quite believe I have just read a thread where supposedly intelligent adults are discussing the propensity of media personalities to kiddie fiddling as an attempt to prove that Britain is somehow superior to Canada. Or vice versa.

I must be ******* nuts.

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Were you totally drunk or stoned when you wrote this? If you are even mildly serious with what you typed and that's what you actually believe, you are simply an idiot and no one should even bother with your statements.

I'd call you something worse than an idiot but seriously, who cares.

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[QUOTE=Novocastrian;10282798]Sovereigntist - if you'd taken the bait and added an 'e' to the end, we'd know you'd crossed over. I met a girl from Quebec in 1975 who said they were mad because francophones were denied jobs for not being bi-lingual, whereas anglophones outside of Quebec didn't face that barrier, (with the exception of some federal jobs). This was in 1975 and they'd just gotten Bill 22 the year before and companies that didn't want to comply were getting set to flee the province. Whether she became a sovereigntist or not I don't know, but she was definately a proud Quebecois. Her name was Diane Fortin, she was from Quebec City and we rode together on the bus from Laredo to Mexico City and I never saw her again.:o

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Neither. I think the structure of youth iced hockey is a pedalo's charter. I don't think either Don Cherry or Jimmy Saville have behaved in such a way as to be at risk of conviction for kiddie fiddling. I am, however, amused at the utter strangeness of Mr. Saville's being mentioned.

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I hear ya.....superior perhaps not, but Britain has dealt with the issue a lot longer than this country. The problem with regards to this issue here is that most people people hate to admit it unlike the UK where there people are a lot more blatant about it.

There is one nutter radio personality (AM dial ) in eastern Ontario by the name of lo Green who is always bashing immigrants (new ones). Now talking of being superior, why is it that old immigrants always think they are better than new ones?

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Then you don't even have an excuse and like I said, making statements like that just make you look like an idiot.

Enough said.

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That would be Lowell Green, host of the Island of Sanity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowell_Green

He is himself an immigrant (he came with his parents as a child from the US), but doesn't consider himself one. He caters to the seniors crowd in Ottawa and especially in the rural areas.

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Nonces like to put themselves in a position where they can have a fiddle. It stands to reason that any kind of kiddie sports coaching is going to be rife with peados. A bit like scout leaders, priests etc.

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That's a problem with children's sports in general but iced hockey is particularly bad because it requires that players live away from home, in the town to which they have been traded, in the home of strangers. Men who take in boys and exercise control over them may, of course, be motivated solely by a desire to improve the league placement of their local team, but then they may be interested in pulling the other one. Iced hockey is socially a very dodgy business, institutionally racist (yes, I know a team in Alberta once had a black goal keeper), sexist (yes, I know, a team in Florida once had a woman goal keeper), based around violence and structured to hamper the education of the participants. Still, as immigrants, we're no more likely to get our children involved than we'd get them involved in the odd customs of other countries to which we might have emigrated, FGM, for example. We can afford to look askance at the peculiarities of the locals.

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You simply are an idiot.

Have you ever even played hockey? How about coached? By your comments you make it sound like your quite well versed in it - from personal experience?

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Quite possibly so, but not so stupid as to ship my children off to the mercies of strangers in small town Canada as if they were Barnado boys.

Not seriously, have you ever fiddled with kiddies?


Of course I can't coach, I'm English.

I had several childen in Canada, I was obliged to look out for them. At a minimum this means keeping them from obvious sources of harm and that, in turn, means being aware of those sources of harm; iced hockey, or the infrastructure related to iced hockey, being one.

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Isn't the captain of the Flames (and a Canadian International) as black as Obama is?

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Touche' :rofl:

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Nigerian father, Calgarian mom.....what's your point here? Britain is full of mixed marriage kids

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How black is obama would you say?

I'm curious given that you are using him a as a point of reference. Maybe you can list some black celebrities in order of blackness so that I can understand the point you are making.

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Are you saying that Obama is an Oreo? If so, fair enough, I know that view is widely held but I have no opinion myself.

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Unreal. I get that this is just a forum and people say some pretty outlandish things but man, you take the cake.

If we were standing at the football pitch or say at the work lunchroom and you dropped a statement like that, the next thing coming out of your mouth would be mumbling as you'd be waiting to shit out your teeth while your jaw is wired shut.

As my old man would say "a piece of work that one" - just walk away.

Walking away.

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I wasn't making any point. Both of them are black, aren't they?

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Well, how bristlingly macho, are you, perhaps, one of those octagonal chaps?

Anyway, do you accept that the motives behind any adult's involvement with children's activities must necessarily be a matter of concern for he parents of the children? Do you accept that taking a young adult to live in one's house places one in a position of control over that young adult? If so, I trust you share my view that the organization of iced hockey should give parents the creeps.

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Dunno. I know one of them is, not sure about the other guy as I've no idea who he is or what he looks like.

Anyway - it was an odd expression. Deliberately provocative, but with plenty of leeway for denial in your reply to this post;)

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I believe you, you don't need an opinion. Hawk13 had one thing right - implying that someone is a pedophile with no evidence to back it up will start a fight in Canada before you can take the words back, and if you've passed that unforfunate trait on to your children they'll soon learn what's acceptable and what isn't. Since nobody, nobody in the world with half a clue doesn't know that Barack Obama's father was African and his mother was American you are obviously up to nothing but trying to pick fights on the internet and I'd suggest to Hawk13, Almost Canadian, and Allan 2005 that there is nothing to be gained by feeding the trolls.

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IIRC when Obama was elected/about to be elected, Dbd33 commented about him being as white as he was black. As you know, I was commenting on his comment about the lack of black players. No undercurrant here, honest Guv.

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Oreo is not an ethnicity, it's a philosophical position, usually a position used to label people insultingly, and one that can only be held by an African-American. It has nothing to do with paedophilia. Nor with iced hockey.

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I don't think that was a controversial position at the time and I'd be surprised to find that it is now. Obama lacks consistent Black support and, arguably, only ever got elected, because he's not identified with traditional Black issues. I'm inclined to the view that there's no longer a Black position to be taken on most issues because there's no longer a consistent economic or social position occupied by African-Americans but then I'm always the optimist.

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You seem agitated. Perhaps this is why you aren't making sense.

What are you trying to say about Obama's father and mother coming from different continents?

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No, my friend, that's not what he was on about. caretaker is a poster who I respect. I think he's a born here in Canada Canadian, but if he's not he's fully assimilated. I think you'd like him if you met him. Not that I have, but the possibility exists because he lives in Regina and sooner or later I'll have to visit my younger son who lives there too.

I'm looking forward to buying caretaker a pint or three.

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I'm sure he's lovely but I could not get the gist of his post at all. Jumbled, and I understand jumbled usually.

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Well he's talking about iced hockey. What can you expect?

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This thread is becoming to wry and subtle. I say bring back the racism / noncism accusations.

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I think that you're a racist and most likely a nonce.

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Steady lad, he might sue.

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Wow....is that how you refer to mix-race kids?

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Only specific ones, see above.

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No he won't, he'd lose. ;)

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Oreo might be the mot de jour in North America describing the condition mentioned; to my South African Asian friend the word used (and that he uses of himself) is coconut. The sentiment's the same: a person whose social, political, philosophical etc views are somehow seen to be not a match for what is expected from somebody of that particular skin pigmentation.

I'm with dbd here. If Obama was elected as the first non-white president at least in part because he doesn't espouse a "traditional black agenda" - if, indeed, such a thing still exists given the social mobility of Americans of all hues in both directions - then that is necessarily a good thing.

On the subject of Jimmy Savile, I have three comments...
1. There's only one L is his name, like Savile Row where the tailors don't hang out any more.
2. He's dead, so speaking of him in the present tense is a bit odd.
3. There is a very great deal of evidence that he had an appetite for young girls, and that the BBC both knew this and facilitated its occurrence while Savile was an employee. See Private Eye passim ad nauseam for details.

I don't care enough about Don Cherry to have much of an opinion, other than that it's obvious his ludicrous clothes are designed to distract attention from the shallowness of his commentary. He thinks fighting in hockey is a good thing, which is enough to utterly dismiss, in my mind, anything else he has to say as the rantings of a fool whose time has long passed.

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Is this one of those "I am not a xxxxxx, some of my best friends are xxxxxxx" moment, that we have come to know of? I think by now we've come to realize that a group of people using a certain term on themselves and other refering to them as that, doesn't quite have the same tone

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No

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I say, "Who cares?" If Dbd33 believes hockey is sexist because he believes no females compete in the top league, then perhaps he could indicate whether he believes rugby, soccer, cricket, baseball, etc, etc, are also sexist.:D

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Cricket, certainly.