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Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Tumbling_Dice
(Post 12779498)
One of the many problems Labour has is the hypocrisy of so many of the so-called progressives that support it. There was a video published where one foolish young woman chose to wish Boris a horrible death and on the other hand state that she wanted to care for people and be a doctor some day. Progressives are always getting shrill when folks disagree with them, especially on certain social issues, and seem to resort to name calling all too easily. The hypocrisy comes about when they claim superiority over the unhinged right wingers who do exactly the same thing from the other side.
Ultimately, what I think is being rejected (albeit imperfectly... I mean... Boris !?!) is the disagreeble attitude of so many, epitomised by social media. I think folks on all sides increasingly want to to robustly debate and disagree without being nasty and disagreeble, or, in football terms, play the ball not the man. I am given a lot of hope that some may be waking up to this from many of the comments on articles in the Guardian, for example. Good robust debate, discussion and disagreement is what we need in a world that is getting increasingly complex, and with ever increasing problems. It simply will not do to dismiss sizeable chunks of the population with epithets and curses. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Tumbling_Dice
(Post 12779498)
One of the many problems Labour has is the hypocrisy of so many of the so-called progressives that support it. There was a video published where one foolish young woman chose to wish Boris a horrible death and on the other hand state that she wanted to care for people and be a doctor some day. Progressives are always getting shrill when folks disagree with them, especially on certain social issues, and seem to resort to name calling all too easily. The hypocrisy comes about when they claim superiority over the unhinged right wingers who do exactly the same thing from the other side.
Ultimately, what I think is being rejected (albeit imperfectly... I mean... Boris !?!) is the disagreeble attitude of so many, epitomised by social media. I think folks on all sides increasingly want to to robustly debate and disagree without being nasty and disagreeble, or, in football terms, play the ball not the man. I am given a lot of hope that some may be waking up to this from many of the comments on articles in the Guardian, for example. Good robust debate, discussion and disagreement is what we need in a world that is getting increasingly complex, and with ever increasing problems. It simply will not do to dismiss sizeable chunks of the population with epithets and curses. Some Labour supporters on facebook, twitter and reddit seemed anything but moderate. They seemed radicalist. Trying to express any kind of concern about Labours ideas, past or future, just led to a torrent of abuse. All Boris had to do was move the Conservatives slightly towards the centre with his "one nation" spiel and he easily grabbed the moderate vote. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by CanadaJimmy
(Post 12779526)
While you could argue brexit is a desire for change, I also see it as a desire to "revert" back to before changes people blame on EU membership.
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Re: PM Boris
He could be talking directly to posters on here:
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Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 12779545)
He could be talking directly to posters on here:
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Re: PM Boris
Well, he certainly intends his withdrawal agreement getting through, he is trying to make it illegal to block it. Dictator or not?
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Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by mikelincs
(Post 12779731)
Well, he certainly intends his withdrawal agreement getting through, he is trying to make it illegal to block it. Dictator or not?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ict-uk-options |
Re: PM Boris
and a WTO Brexit still very much a possibility. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by mikelincs
(Post 12779731)
Well, he certainly intends his withdrawal agreement getting through, he is trying to make it illegal to block it. Dictator or not?
The people vote for blue. The flag makers say can't be done, gotta be red or yellow. Another flag maker cries out, 'I can make it in blue'. So the people have another vote on which flag maker to pick. Lo and behold they pick the blue flag maker. 'Ok' says Flagpole Master, 'it's going to the blue flag maker and that's that, no ifs no buts, and since it's supposed to be up the pole already, I want it day after tomorrow, wasted too much time already'. 'Dictator, Don't like blue!' I hear from the supporters of the other flag maker, who really knew they could have made a blue one all the time. 'Shut up! Too bloody late!' Is the cry from the people. The other flag maker goes bust with no business, no support and nobody wanting to work there. Remind you of anything? |
Re: PM Boris
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9249561.html
And then there's the matter of Zac Goldsmith, voted out, but still in. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12779906)
Remind you of anything? |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 12779773)
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/...68975512117248
and a WTO Brexit still very much a possibility. Anyone that has ever been involved in any form of negotiations knows that, as the deadline approaches, minds are focused and compromises are made. It all seems perfectly sensible to me (accepting of course that Brexit is going to happen). |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12779951)
Nope. All it makes me think of is that if there's any sort of second thoughts or change of heart triggered by anything at all, the action of the dictator prevents such reconsideration.
I take your point that force majeur could impose a dramatic rethink, but I'd argue that something the size of a 10.0 earthquake imposing itself on brexit thinking would be needed to impact the commons as a whole, but haven't we seen the commons capable of taking back control when it feels it needs to? So dinna worry yer heed too much aboot that, laddie.. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 12779953)
That will depend upon the concessions the EU is willing to make, won't it?
We'll see what happens but I don't see that a negotiated EU exit is any closer now that it was a year ago. |
Re: PM Boris
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 12779953)
That will depend upon the concessions the EU is willing to make, won't it?
Anyone that has ever been involved in any form of negotiations knows that, as the deadline approaches, minds are focused and compromises are made. It all seems perfectly sensible to me (accepting of course that Brexit is going to happen). Concessions the EU is willing to make ... How very English ! Is that the way you negotiate ? Ever heard of give and take ... talk .... concessions BOTH ways ... talk .... etc etc .... and eventually agree ? Also, I've never ever heard of trade talks with a time limit ! Is that another ''English way'' of trying to force what we want ? My God, they've got a lot to learn ! And this is even before this party begins. WTO here we come (If, big IF it still exists by then and with sensible rules, see Trump). |
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