PM Boris
#796
Re: PM Boris
It's not only Johnson, but Rees-Mogg and Gove have got stakes in hedgefuds, and a lot of money invested in them as well, If Brexit DOESN'T happen on 31st October they stand to lose a lot of money (on paper). Well Brexit will NOT happen on 31st October, and the look on Rees-Mogg's face when the result of the second vote was announced was brilliant, he almost looked like bursting into tears.
#798
Re: PM Boris
Depends on what one considers evidence.
Calls for inquiry into claims Johnson backers benefit from no-deal Brexit
It's the guardian, of course, that means that some people will pay no attention to the fact that the claims came from others (including his sister) and won't give it any credence because it wasn't reported in their Mail
Calls for inquiry into claims Johnson backers benefit from no-deal Brexit
It's the guardian, of course, that means that some people will pay no attention to the fact that the claims came from others (including his sister) and won't give it any credence because it wasn't reported in their Mail
#800
Re: PM Boris
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-deal-backers
#801
Re: PM Boris
Or the former top civil servant in the Treasury, Nick Macpherson? Not to mention Philip Hammond, no doubt another financial illiterate.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-deal-backers
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-deal-backers
#802
Re: PM Boris
It's a bit of a leap from "his backers stand to gain" to "he's acting specifically for their benefit". If I bet on Tottenham, Sonny is not going to try harder to score. I don't doubt that there are senior figures in the Conservative Party who are directly seeking to influence policy to the detriment of the country for personal gain, JRM for example, but I don't think there's enough evidence to pin that charge on Johnson.
#803
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Re: PM Boris
Or the former top civil servant in the Treasury, Nick Macpherson? Not to mention Philip Hammond, no doubt another financial illiterate.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-deal-backers
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-deal-backers
#804
Re: PM Boris
I suppose it's a fact of life that some with well defined beliefs tend to be predisposed to believe stories and commentators that support their views.
At the moment it's reached a zenith in the US where anti-Trumps watch CNN and pro-Trumps watch Fox. I watch both and really some days you'd be forgiven if you thought you lived in different universes.
This leave-remain argument finds itself in a similar place. Everyone has an agenda even sisters and, more likely, senior civil servants.
At the moment it's reached a zenith in the US where anti-Trumps watch CNN and pro-Trumps watch Fox. I watch both and really some days you'd be forgiven if you thought you lived in different universes.
This leave-remain argument finds itself in a similar place. Everyone has an agenda even sisters and, more likely, senior civil servants.
#805
Re: PM Boris
I suppose it's a fact of life that some with well defined beliefs tend to be predisposed to believe stories and commentators that support their views.
At the moment it's reached a zenith in the US where anti-Trumps watch CNN and pro-Trumps watch Fox. I watch both and really some days you'd be forgiven if you thought you lived in different universes.
This leave-remain argument finds itself in a similar place. Everyone has an agenda even sisters and, more likely, senior civil servants.
At the moment it's reached a zenith in the US where anti-Trumps watch CNN and pro-Trumps watch Fox. I watch both and really some days you'd be forgiven if you thought you lived in different universes.
This leave-remain argument finds itself in a similar place. Everyone has an agenda even sisters and, more likely, senior civil servants.
#806
Re: PM Boris
I suspect that 'they' may be right and if 'they' are then the next election will be a de facto second referendum and will likely carry more significance since the winner will likely have control of parliament.
It'll be interesting to see whether the tail will begin to wag the dog and whether the leave/remain trend will begin to dictate party thinking.
#807
Re: PM Boris
At the moment it's reached a zenith in the US where anti-Trumps watch CNN and pro-Trumps watch Fox. I watch both and really some days you'd be forgiven if you thought you lived in different universes.
This leave-remain argument finds itself in a similar place.
This leave-remain argument finds itself in a similar place.
But what I do know is that the guardian frequently, if not always, presents both sides of an argument. As I said in a different thread here last week, the newspaper is 'remain' but they posted two opinion pieces last week to support Boris Johnson's bill and leave by the end of the month.
#808
Re: PM Boris
They say? Who says?
I suspect that 'they' may be right and if 'they' are then the next election will be a de facto second referendum and will likely carry more significance since the winner will likely have control of parliament.
It'll be interesting to see whether the tail will begin to wag the dog and whether the leave/remain trend will begin to dictate party thinking.
I suspect that 'they' may be right and if 'they' are then the next election will be a de facto second referendum and will likely carry more significance since the winner will likely have control of parliament.
It'll be interesting to see whether the tail will begin to wag the dog and whether the leave/remain trend will begin to dictate party thinking.
#809
Re: PM Boris
So now it seems likely there'll be another election. Brexit for Brexit, Conservatives for Brexit, Lib/Dems for Remain, Labour for dithering. Unless, of course, there isn't.
#810
Re: PM Boris
It's a shining example of how MPs refuse to surrender their personal benefit when an opposition refuses an election, where the government has a majority of -40+, because they think they might lose since their stand may be contrary to public opinion.
Understandable, but like Canute holding back the tide they'll end up getting their feet wet.