PM Boris
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Re: PM Boris
What has Trudeau done, what does he have it in his power to do, that is comparable to a no deal Brexit or withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal? Granted he has dressed badly and looked a bit silly but Harper did that every day, it's just a Canadian thing. A better Canadian analog to Boris is Chretien; a clever man who posed as being a bumbling folksy character.
Personally, I don't give a toss about Trudeau... But he does seem to have a knack for c*cking up on international relationships that are fundamental to Canada diversifying its markets. I give you India, I give you China. I give you his 'cake and eat it stance' on oil pipelines. He is equally as ridiculous as figure a Boris, seemingly captive to ideology more than reality, and bolstered by the fact Trump got elected in the US. Had Obama been elected instead, golden boy would barely have got a mention.
As for Chretien, if only Trudeau had a part of his instincts...
#62
Re: PM Boris
I'm not worried, and you know us Canadians don't get those cryptic UK insults anyway. Scheer was my member of parliament in Regina and he's a dink, even as torys go. If you're still cleaning stuff up lose only needs one o.
#65
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Some wit pointed out that Johnson was elected PM with 92,000 votes. Boaty McBoatface won with 124,000 votes but that was overruled because it was stupid.
#66
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If there was a league table with points awarded for international embarrassment; national embarrassment; lies; insulting behaviour; illegal behaviour; contradicting oneself within a matter of days; close association with convicted criminals; rudeness towards other world leaders; displays of immaturity etc
Trudeau wouldn't even be on the same fixture list as Premier League competitors Johnson and Trump.
Trudeau wouldn't even be on the same fixture list as Premier League competitors Johnson and Trump.
#67
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If there was a league table with points awarded for international embarrassment; national embarrassment; lies; insulting behaviour; illegal behaviour; contradicting oneself within a matter of days; close association with convicted criminals; rudeness towards other world leaders; displays of immaturity etc
Trudeau wouldn't even be on the same fixture list as Premier League competitors Johnson and Trump.
Trudeau wouldn't even be on the same fixture list as Premier League competitors Johnson and Trump.
#68
Re: PM Boris
I was simply agreeing with the statement that any Canadian who would laugh at Boris simply hasn't been looking at Trudeau.
Personally, I don't give a toss about Trudeau... But he does seem to have a knack for c*cking up on international relationships that are fundamental to Canada diversifying its markets. I give you India, I give you China. I give you his 'cake and eat it stance' on oil pipelines. He is equally as ridiculous as figure a Boris, seemingly captive to ideology more than reality, and bolstered by the fact Trump got elected in the US. Had Obama been elected instead, golden boy would barely have got a mention.
As for Chretien, if only Trudeau had a part of his instincts...
Personally, I don't give a toss about Trudeau... But he does seem to have a knack for c*cking up on international relationships that are fundamental to Canada diversifying its markets. I give you India, I give you China. I give you his 'cake and eat it stance' on oil pipelines. He is equally as ridiculous as figure a Boris, seemingly captive to ideology more than reality, and bolstered by the fact Trump got elected in the US. Had Obama been elected instead, golden boy would barely have got a mention.
As for Chretien, if only Trudeau had a part of his instincts...
#69
Re: PM Boris
Very well put, and as I said, I truly think Trudeau actually means well! ...but he just isn't up to the job, so Canadian's are not in a position to point and laugh at Boris with Trudeau as PM of Canada! I guess "peoplekind" are starting to see this now though... shocker!...
On edit to bring things somewhere close to back on topic: Boris is interested in nothing except the perception of his own success. He has no principles whatsoever, so if it looks as though public sentiment is in favour of abandoning Brexit altogether, he'lll stuff his entire Brexit-themed Cabinet and claim to be fighting "for the will of the people" as he triggers the motion to rescind Article 50. I don't think that'll actually happen (although nothing wrong with a bit of fanciful wishful thinking), but if Johnson thought it would make him more popular, he'd argue that the moon is made of green cheese.
Last edited by Oakvillian; Jul 26th 2019 at 3:04 pm.
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#71
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UK political history is littered with those who put their own personal gain ahead of the general good, and there have been one or two who've been applauded because of it.
Within recent living memory we have Blair, Thatcher and of course Churchill.
It remains to be seen whether Johnson's approach will result in an injection of common sense into the issue, for example the backstop wouldn't have been necessary if a framework for future trade could have been agreed beforehand but EU rules prohibited this so we have irresistible forces and immovable objects. Where personal reputations are concerned common sense takes a back seat.
I know a few drunks who could have sorted this out over a few pints and glasses of wine and the cost would have been less than just one of those Brussels' lunches.
Last edited by dave_j; Jul 26th 2019 at 3:55 pm.
#72
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Very well put, and as I said, I truly think Trudeau actually means well! ...but he just isn't up to the job, so Canadian's are not in a position to point and laugh at Boris with Trudeau as PM of Canada! I guess "peoplekind" are starting to see this now though... shocker!...
#73
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What you say may be true but isn't that true of most politicians?
UK political history is littered with those who put their own personal gain ahead of the general good, and there have been one or two who've been applauded because of it.
Within recent living memory we have Blair, Thatcher and of course Churchill.
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UK political history is littered with those who put their own personal gain ahead of the general good, and there have been one or two who've been applauded because of it.
Within recent living memory we have Blair, Thatcher and of course Churchill.
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#74
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It would be splendid if you could give us some indication of why you think Trudeau is "not up to the job" beyond the silly tropes of the attack ads the Cons are gearing up to wheel out again in this election cycle. They clearly didn't work for the last election, and I'm surprised Scheer - the consummate political nonentity - has the gall to sanction their use this time around. That's a tactic that could backfire horribly; Sheer's clearly genuinely not up to the job of leading his own party, as he appears to be entirely subservient to the two loudest Provincial premiers in Kenny and Ford.
The children that are benefitting from the huge amounts that are being paid to their parents via Canada Child Benefit (why a family with an income of $150,000 needs any such benefits is beyond me) will likely be lumbered with having to pay it all back when they become liable for taxes in the future;
The way that he has completely failed to deal with the issue of climate change (I accept he has imposed a carbon tax but that will do little to deal with the issue);
The way his office handled, is still handling, the SNC Lavalin affair;
The way he despatched 2 prominent ministers simply because they refused to bow to his wishes;
The way he has handled the fact that two Canadians are being held by China; and
His total lack of response when China decided to make ridiculous arguments regarding imports from Canada.
I would put it another way, other than the huge amounts he has given to those that really don't need it (see CCB comments above), what has he done in his 4 years that you would deem to have been a success?
Last edited by Almost Canadian; Jul 26th 2019 at 4:37 pm.
#75
Re: PM Boris
I am obliged to acknowledge that the new government is not without merit:
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-07-26/...uide-to-staff/
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-07-26/...uide-to-staff/
Last edited by dbd33; Jul 26th 2019 at 4:37 pm.