PM Boris
#616
Re: PM Boris
I'm pleased that you have family in the area, but I lived there for forty years before coming to Canada.
The area may have received some cash from the EU, but ask the residents of South Bank or Port Clarence whether they saw much of it.
I witnessed the demise of the steel industry and the decimation of it's support structure over the years and the slimming down of the chemicals industry.
Yes, there are some affluent areas. I lived in Yarm but comparing Yarm to Stockton is like chalk and cheese. Walk down Stockton High Street or Linthorpe Road in Middlesbrough and count the number of boarded up shops, something unknown in Yarm.
There is no substitute for jobs and the residents of the area didn't see any coming from the EU. True, things may not have been much different had the UK not been a member, but they were in the EU and the people of the area, unlike those in the prosperous south, saw jobs disappearing and nobody doing much to help create new ones.
I can't blame them for voting Leave, but they did and if I'd been in the UK I'd have followed them like so many others, for perfectly good logical reasons.
Remainers point to the 'lies' on the bus, but that isn't why they voted Leave, it's because the status quo offered them nothing and they saw Westminster as colluding with the EU in keeping them deprived.
The average MP does very well, they go to bed well fed, they simply do not understand how normal people live, and the normal people of the UK won't understand or forgive if Brexit isn't allowed to happen.
You ask what Brexit offers. The simple answer is Hope. The prospect of a Freeport being created on the old site of the Steel industry, outlawed by the EU, but proposed once the UK has left at least offers this, something the EU did not, could not and would not do.
#617
Re: PM Boris
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I can't blame them for voting Leave, but they did and if I'd been in the UK I'd have followed them like so many others, for perfectly good logical reasons.
Remainers point to the 'lies' on the bus, but that isn't why they voted Leave, it's because the status quo offered them nothing and they saw Westminster as colluding with the EU in keeping them deprived.
You ask what Brexit offers. The simple answer is Hope. The prospect of a Freeport being created on the old site of the Steel industry, outlawed by the EU, but proposed once the UK has left at least offers this, something the EU did not, could not and would not do.
I can't blame them for voting Leave, but they did and if I'd been in the UK I'd have followed them like so many others, for perfectly good logical reasons.
Remainers point to the 'lies' on the bus, but that isn't why they voted Leave, it's because the status quo offered them nothing and they saw Westminster as colluding with the EU in keeping them deprived.
You ask what Brexit offers. The simple answer is Hope. The prospect of a Freeport being created on the old site of the Steel industry, outlawed by the EU, but proposed once the UK has left at least offers this, something the EU did not, could not and would not do.
#618
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Re: PM Boris
There are marginal diferences between the states in the US, but comparing that to the differing cultures of each country in Europe is like comparing apples and oranges. The Untied States has grown together as a country, because it was born as one country....and in comparitive terns is a new country. Europe and the countries and the individual cultures they possess in comparison is ancient.....1000+ years. How can those cultures be expected to harmonious after less than 50 years....
Who, other than some Leavers, believe the rest of your post?
what suits Germany certainly wont suit Greece....their culture is the polar opposite. .
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#619
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Re: PM Boris
I wonder whether you check the facts before you make claims.
The UK had Freeports until 2012, until the relevant UK legislation ended without being continued. Malta still has one.
https://fullfact.org/europe/free-ports/
I'm pleased that you have family in the area, but I lived there for forty years before coming to Canada.
The area may have received some cash from the EU, but ask the residents of South Bank or Port Clarence whether they saw much of it.
I witnessed the demise of the steel industry and the decimation of it's support structure over the years and the slimming down of the chemicals industry.
Yes, there are some affluent areas. I lived in Yarm but comparing Yarm to Stockton is like chalk and cheese. Walk down Stockton High Street or Linthorpe Road in Middlesbrough and count the number of boarded up shops, something unknown in Yarm.
There is no substitute for jobs and the residents of the area didn't see any coming from the EU. True, things may not have been much different had the UK not been a member, but they were in the EU and the people of the area, unlike those in the prosperous south, saw jobs disappearing and nobody doing much to help create new ones.
I can't blame them for voting Leave, but they did and if I'd been in the UK I'd have followed them like so many others, for perfectly good logical reasons.
Remainers point to the 'lies' on the bus, but that isn't why they voted Leave, it's because the status quo offered them nothing and they saw Westminster as colluding with the EU in keeping them deprived.
The average MP does very well, they go to bed well fed, they simply do not understand how normal people live, and the normal people of the UK won't understand or forgive if Brexit isn't allowed to happen.
You ask what Brexit offers. The simple answer is Hope. The prospect of a Freeport being created on the old site of the Steel industry, outlawed by the EU, but proposed once the UK has left at least offers this, something the EU did not, could not and would not do.
The area may have received some cash from the EU, but ask the residents of South Bank or Port Clarence whether they saw much of it.
I witnessed the demise of the steel industry and the decimation of it's support structure over the years and the slimming down of the chemicals industry.
Yes, there are some affluent areas. I lived in Yarm but comparing Yarm to Stockton is like chalk and cheese. Walk down Stockton High Street or Linthorpe Road in Middlesbrough and count the number of boarded up shops, something unknown in Yarm.
There is no substitute for jobs and the residents of the area didn't see any coming from the EU. True, things may not have been much different had the UK not been a member, but they were in the EU and the people of the area, unlike those in the prosperous south, saw jobs disappearing and nobody doing much to help create new ones.
I can't blame them for voting Leave, but they did and if I'd been in the UK I'd have followed them like so many others, for perfectly good logical reasons.
Remainers point to the 'lies' on the bus, but that isn't why they voted Leave, it's because the status quo offered them nothing and they saw Westminster as colluding with the EU in keeping them deprived.
The average MP does very well, they go to bed well fed, they simply do not understand how normal people live, and the normal people of the UK won't understand or forgive if Brexit isn't allowed to happen.
You ask what Brexit offers. The simple answer is Hope. The prospect of a Freeport being created on the old site of the Steel industry, outlawed by the EU, but proposed once the UK has left at least offers this, something the EU did not, could not and would not do.
https://fullfact.org/europe/free-ports/
#620
Re: PM Boris
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I can't blame them for voting Leave, but they did and if I'd been in the UK I'd have followed them like so many others, for perfectly good logical reasons.
Remainers point to the 'lies' on the bus, but that isn't why they voted Leave, it's because the status quo offered them nothing and they saw Westminster as colluding with the EU in keeping them deprived.
The average MP does very well, they go to bed well fed, they simply do not understand how normal people live, and the normal people of the UK won't understand or forgive if Brexit isn't allowed to happen.
You ask what Brexit offers. The simple answer is Hope. The prospect of a Freeport being created on the old site of the Steel industry, outlawed by the EU, but proposed once the UK has left at least offers this, something the EU did not, could not and would not do.
I can't blame them for voting Leave, but they did and if I'd been in the UK I'd have followed them like so many others, for perfectly good logical reasons.
Remainers point to the 'lies' on the bus, but that isn't why they voted Leave, it's because the status quo offered them nothing and they saw Westminster as colluding with the EU in keeping them deprived.
The average MP does very well, they go to bed well fed, they simply do not understand how normal people live, and the normal people of the UK won't understand or forgive if Brexit isn't allowed to happen.
You ask what Brexit offers. The simple answer is Hope. The prospect of a Freeport being created on the old site of the Steel industry, outlawed by the EU, but proposed once the UK has left at least offers this, something the EU did not, could not and would not do.
#621
Re: PM Boris
There are, of course, many, you are simply choosing not to look for them. Reclaiming territorial waters for fishing, being able to strike whatever trade deals the country wishes to without having to consider how it may affect other members of the EU, and the UK Parliament becoming sovereign once again.
#623
Re: PM Boris
There are, of course, many, you are simply choosing not to look for them. Reclaiming territorial waters for fishing, being able to strike whatever trade deals the country wishes to without having to consider how it may affect other members of the EU, and the UK Parliament becoming sovereign once again.
#624
Re: PM Boris
There are, of course, many, you are simply choosing not to look for them. Reclaiming territorial waters for fishing, being able to strike whatever trade deals the country wishes to without having to consider how it may affect other members of the EU, and the UK Parliament becoming sovereign once again.
Fish, I gotta give ya fish.
#626
Re: PM Boris
Well, there are many sectors hit by Brexit. The Leave campaign highlighted the beleaguered UK fishing industry and pitted mercenary French and Spanish vessels against solid and forlorn Cornish and Scottish fishermen with nothing to do. It was an emotional, manipulative campaign. Of course, there are issues in off shore fishing, and Britain does list out, but it has to be seen in the wider context of us accessing European markets to sell slightly less romantic items like insurance !