PM Boris
#545
Re: PM Boris
Hopefully they will do something other than provide theatre after complaining about being shut out.
#546
Re: PM Boris
This is a recipe for nothing but a talking shop. There'll be a great deal of Boris bashing and self righteous pro-parliament speechifying but action? I think not.
I don't think that there's ever been a government with a majority of -40 in a position where the opposition dare not take it to task other than protest.
So having achieved their goal, I suspect that the Remain Group now have sufficient time to start internal squabbling about what to do next. There'll be an interval where they'll be at each other's throats, they won't be able to stop themselves.
Waiting in the wings, of course, is the Brexit Party ready to capitalise at the forthcoming election on an anti-parliament anti-establishment platform. We may be witnessing the obliteration of the Conservative Party having been shown to have been impotent in delivering the result of the referendum. May sowed the seeds and Johnson will have eaten the poisoned fruit.
#547
Re: PM Boris
Parliament, despite continual dirty tricks, has managed to pass the Ben Bill, and if implemented will avoid a disastrous No Deal crash out. That's a huge achievement. Next is to hash out whether a referendum and/or election will better address the impasse. Of course, the simplest and most effective solution is revoke and move forward, but extremists (ERG etc) and those held hostage to their constituents' Leave vote prevent that solution. It's easy to knock parliament, but it's a genuinely complex democratic issue. Today's ruling is a huge move in the right direction.
#548
Re: PM Boris
Parliament, despite continual dirty tricks, has managed to pass the Ben Bill, and if implemented will avoid a disastrous No Deal crash out. That's a huge achievement. Next is to hash out whether a referendum and/or election will better address the impasse. Of course, the simplest and most effective solution is revoke and move forward, but extremists (ERG etc) and those held hostage to their constituents' Leave vote prevent that solution. It's easy to knock parliament, but it's a genuinely complex democratic issue. Today's ruling is a huge move in the right direction.
Now, before the extension is arranged, Labour does not want a VONC or GE because that would happen whilst the UK crashes out of the EU.
ASA the extension is arranged, we'll see what opp parties will want to do.
At least, it gives Parliament time to discuss the yellowhammer papers (remember them) since they never had the time for that.
#549
Re: PM Boris
If Johnson refuses to ask for an extension (as arranged in the Benn Bill) he will break the law again. I suppose that can become a habbit, bit like lying.
Now, before the extension is arranged, Labour does not want a VONC or GE because that would happen whilst the UK crashes out of the EU.
ASA the extension is arranged, we'll see what opp parties will want to do.
At least, it gives Parliament time to discuss the yellowhammer papers (remember them) since they never had the time for that.
Now, before the extension is arranged, Labour does not want a VONC or GE because that would happen whilst the UK crashes out of the EU.
ASA the extension is arranged, we'll see what opp parties will want to do.
At least, it gives Parliament time to discuss the yellowhammer papers (remember them) since they never had the time for that.
#550
Re: PM Boris
I assume, if an election or 2nd ref. is on the cards, they might offer enough time for that, but I don't know for sure.
#551
Re: PM Boris
I think it very likely that an EU member state will veto another extension. "Enough, already". Then, with Labour still dithering about whether or not they would have been for or against remain had they ever made their minds up, Johnson can stand for election as the man who got the job done. So long as that's very soon, say this year, he could win. Then again, there are a lot of long knives in the Tory party.
Last edited by dbd33; Sep 24th 2019 at 8:16 pm.
#552
Re: PM Boris
I think it very likely that an EU member state will veto another extension. "Enough, already". Then, with Labour still dithering about whether or not they would have been before or against remain had they ever made their minds up, Johnson can stand for election as the man who got the job done. So long as that's very soon, say this year, he could win. Then again, there are a lot of long knives in the Tory party.
#553
Re: PM Boris
The tragedy is that he could indeed win. Corbyn makes Labour a very difficult proposition from both within and without the party. Then, if that's not precarious enough, he insists on a bizarre Labour neutrality policy on Brexit. And finally, he rules out any possibility of entertaining a caretaker government without him at the helm. He is a massive liability to anyone who wants to avoid Brexit.
#554
Re: PM Boris
A deal for 31 Oct does seem highly unlikely? So government or parliament then request an extension from the EU. The request could well be rejected, in that case it would appear then the EU would have decided on no deal. In this case they will have to implement a hard border in Ireland, are they really going to do that in the end?