Please Remember
Nov 8th 2007, 9:41 pm
#61
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Re: Please Remember
Ah, so he really did just do a runner... I thought you'd said in an earlier post that what he had done took courage. Without meaning undue disrespect to your grandfather, the really courageous pacifists were those who actively declared their pacifism and were strong enough in their convictions to defend their position against family and neighbours, rather than run away from a call-up notice. Many served with distinction in civilian roles, from firemen and ambulance crews to farmers and civil servants, helping to allay the results of war without participating in the war itself.
Nov 8th 2007, 9:48 pm
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Re: Please Remember
In the military there is not the luxury of choosing which causes are more noble than others, which 'job' is acceptable, there is a job to do. No time to debate the merits of each conflict or assault and see if everyone agrees. If a commander gives and order, that's what you do. Each service is subject to military law, which lays out duties, obligations & consequences.
Fortunately today's military is volunteer, if this is not acceptable to an individual they have a choice before joining.
Nov 8th 2007, 9:52 pm
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Re: Please Remember
Ah, so he really did just do a runner... I thought you'd said in an earlier post that what he had done took courage. Without meaning undue disrespect to your grandfather, the really courageous pacifists were those who actively declared their pacifism and were strong enough in their convictions to defend their position against family and neighbours, rather than run away from a call-up notice. Many served with distinction in civilian roles, from firemen and ambulance crews to farmers and civil servants, helping to allay the results of war without participating in the war itself.
Nov 8th 2007, 10:03 pm
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Re: Please Remember
Yes i was ignorant,but have since been educated,thanks to helpful members providing the info,which to my understanding is one of the functions of BE.
It also a sad fact of life that some members are rude and impolite, who's only source of communication is limited to name calling to any one that dosn't hold the same opinion as they do. If the truth be known i doubt if 50% of the people here know or knew THE true meening of Poppy Day. So to all of you name callers keep up the good old British tradition of rudeness and abuse that has made Britian so Great:curse:
It also a sad fact of life that some members are rude and impolite, who's only source of communication is limited to name calling to any one that dosn't hold the same opinion as they do. If the truth be known i doubt if 50% of the people here know or knew THE true meening of Poppy Day. So to all of you name callers keep up the good old British tradition of rudeness and abuse that has made Britian so Great:curse:
This is very true of many conventions and rituals in every day life, so many simply accept without question.
Good on you for having the guts to ask the question.
We only learn through inquiry...naming calling does not aid the pursuit of knowledge.
Nov 8th 2007, 10:15 pm
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Re: Please Remember
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Nov 8th 2007, 10:22 pm
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Re: Please Remember
I can't remember a time when I didn't know what Remembrance Day was all about. Growing up as an Army brat it was pretty much a given. My grandfathers both fought in WW2, both in the Burma campaign; maternal grandfather was killed outside Rangoon, paternal grandfather was taken prisoner and worked on the Thai-Burma railway.
It all became rather more poignant when the father of one of my schoolfriends, one Col "H" Jones, was killed in the Falklands.
My school's chapel was on the (UK) first floor, reached via a stone staircase on the walls of which were carved the names of the hundreds of old boys who had been killed in both World Wars. As the senior trumpet-player in the school, I was asked to bugle the Last Post and the Reveille either side of the two minutes' silence at the Remembrance Sunday services. Even now, the memory of standing at the bottom of the staircase and calling the Last Post, to hear it reverberate around the memorial stairs, raises goosebumps.
It all became rather more poignant when the father of one of my schoolfriends, one Col "H" Jones, was killed in the Falklands.
My school's chapel was on the (UK) first floor, reached via a stone staircase on the walls of which were carved the names of the hundreds of old boys who had been killed in both World Wars. As the senior trumpet-player in the school, I was asked to bugle the Last Post and the Reveille either side of the two minutes' silence at the Remembrance Sunday services. Even now, the memory of standing at the bottom of the staircase and calling the Last Post, to hear it reverberate around the memorial stairs, raises goosebumps.
He never spoke of the war and my mother and I have found out where he was kept prisoner and a lot of other devastating facts through a lot of research and the help of COFEPOW (Children and Families of Far Eastern Prisoners of War).
I wear my Poppy with pride in his memory and for those who fought and never returned.
Also in NI we Remember our loved ones murdered in "The Troubles" although some sections of our community claim it as a war -it wasn't, but they are remembered at the cenotaphs here as well. In our town we have services at both memorials as our wee town took heavy casualities during the troubles too.
This is the COFEPOW Remembrance verse:
We that are left grow old with the years
Remembering the heartache , the pain and the tears,
Hoping and praying that never again
Man will sink to such sorrow and shame
The price that was paid we will always remember
Every day, every month, not just in November
We Shall Remember Them.
Nov 8th 2007, 10:36 pm
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Re: Please Remember
I too wear my poppy with pride. My grandfather was also a pacifist, but rather than run to the hills he worked as a medic, just refused to carry a weapon. Luckily for me, because I wouldn't be here, he survived.
IMHO there is a place in society for most of us, whom ether we are.
Lets just remember all of them, boys, girls, men, women, who give their lives, limbs or sanity for the rest of us, In which ever war or conflict they fought in.
IMHO there is a place in society for most of us, whom ether we are.
Lets just remember all of them, boys, girls, men, women, who give their lives, limbs or sanity for the rest of us, In which ever war or conflict they fought in.
Last edited by RodRos&Co.; Nov 8th 2007 at 10:39 pm. Reason: a little bit sexist :(
Nov 8th 2007, 11:03 pm
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Re: Please Remember
Well i bought my poppy,i hope the money will be well spent..!!!!!
But now having read through all these posts,not just the ones that personly attacked me,but all the others where some one had a different point of view aswell. And can quite openly say i am ashamed to be British.
Did those brave men and women die so that some of you holyier than holy can attack another mans opinion and point of view regarding war,call him names and be down right rude. I think most of those dead soldiers(of which are both my grandfarthers,11uncle's,3 aunts,3 of my best chums(Falklands) and half a dozen other pals since) would turn in their graves if they could here some of you talk and fighting .
Respect another mans point of view,argue the point by allmeans but dont pick a fight and be rude.
But now having read through all these posts,not just the ones that personly attacked me,but all the others where some one had a different point of view aswell. And can quite openly say i am ashamed to be British.
Did those brave men and women die so that some of you holyier than holy can attack another mans opinion and point of view regarding war,call him names and be down right rude. I think most of those dead soldiers(of which are both my grandfarthers,11uncle's,3 aunts,3 of my best chums(Falklands) and half a dozen other pals since) would turn in their graves if they could here some of you talk and fighting .
Respect another mans point of view,argue the point by allmeans but dont pick a fight and be rude.
Nov 8th 2007, 11:10 pm
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Nov 8th 2007, 11:28 pm
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Re: Please Remember
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Nov 9th 2007, 1:29 am
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Re: Please Remember
Keeping it at the top
Nov 9th 2007, 1:45 am
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Nov 9th 2007, 2:47 am
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Re: Please Remember
My maternal Grandfather was a Prisoner of War of the Japanese in the Shamshupio Camp in Hong Kong, for three years, he was thrown out on the "scrap heap" of his dead colleagues four times and was rescued by his friends who discovered faint movements in his skeletal frame. When he came home from the war he weighed 4 stone!
He never spoke of the war and my mother and I have found out where he was kept prisoner and a lot of other devastating facts through a lot of research and the help of COFEPOW (Children and Families of Far Eastern Prisoners of War).
I wear my Poppy with pride in his memory and for those who fought and never returned.
Also in NI we Remember our loved ones murdered in "The Troubles" although some sections of our community claim it as a war -it wasn't, but they are remembered at the cenotaphs here as well. In our town we have services at both memorials as our wee town took heavy casualities during the troubles too.
This is the COFEPOW Remembrance verse:
We that are left grow old with the years
Remembering the heartache , the pain and the tears,
Hoping and praying that never again
Man will sink to such sorrow and shame
The price that was paid we will always remember
Every day, every month, not just in November
We Shall Remember Them.
He never spoke of the war and my mother and I have found out where he was kept prisoner and a lot of other devastating facts through a lot of research and the help of COFEPOW (Children and Families of Far Eastern Prisoners of War).
I wear my Poppy with pride in his memory and for those who fought and never returned.
Also in NI we Remember our loved ones murdered in "The Troubles" although some sections of our community claim it as a war -it wasn't, but they are remembered at the cenotaphs here as well. In our town we have services at both memorials as our wee town took heavy casualities during the troubles too.
This is the COFEPOW Remembrance verse:
We that are left grow old with the years
Remembering the heartache , the pain and the tears,
Hoping and praying that never again
Man will sink to such sorrow and shame
The price that was paid we will always remember
Every day, every month, not just in November
We Shall Remember Them.
Nov 9th 2007, 2:51 am
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Nov 9th 2007, 2:56 am
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Re: Please Remember
Originally Posted by Surrey Expat
But this is in a good cause, so maybe we (I) will be forgiven until Sunday!