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Much asI am convinced of the unequivacolling i wonder why nothing is happening.

Re: OK. Harper's dead meat...
 

Another keyboarding incident, Blackberry related I assume?

It's wrong to think nothing is happening though.

A great deal is happening, namely the demise of a corrupt and arrogant Prime Minister, who is the nearest thing to Godwin ever to hold that office in the whole (relatively short) history of Canada (with the possible exception of Sir John A. MacDonald).

Re: OK. Harper's dead meat...
 

I would like to think so but it's slow and painful from here, i still think he will wriggle out of it.
I don't know much about MacDonald isn' he supposed to be a good guy? Is it Louis Riel related?

Re: OK. Harper's dead meat...
 

From what I saw on the CBC after some froth and lather they finished by saying there was nothing that directly implicated the PM. Is there anything else?

Re: OK. Harper's dead meat...
 

Not Riel.

Many Canadians seem willing to overlook, if not excuse, Macdonald's drinking problem, viewing it as a human failing in a man weighted down by human tragedy. "I kind of like the idea that the father of our Confederation wasn't the guy who couldn't tell a lie; he was the guy who liked to drink," Canadian journalist and author Pierre Berton once told CBC television.

Lady Susan Agnes Macdonald, wife of Sir John A. Macdonald, January 1885
While he was contending with a broken family life and binge drinking, Macdonald's financial problems mounted. By the time of Confederation, his personal debt had risen to about $1 million in today's dollars. Several banks he had invested in, personally and through his law practice, failed.

Re: OK. Harper's dead meat...
 

Yes, there is something else. He's been demonstrated (proven) to be lying.

What exactly did you hear the PM wasn't implicated in? Because I didn't hear it.

And frothing and lathering is a typical right wing tactic, not employed by the CBC in my experience.

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Do we judge by the standards of the time or by ours? Though acceptance of drinking seems widespread here such as Ford excuding his smoking crack by saying he was out if it on booze.

If it has been proven why aren't the opposition and press all over it? I saw one link saying Harper had lied to Parliament but i can't find it now. Was it called too soon?

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Proven?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/step...ions-1.2433872

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They teach us that in grade 6 Novo, it's no secret. D'arcy McGee was a drunk too but his resume only shows his parliamentary accomplishments. Macddonald had Riel hung for revenge (he'd been paid off and had promised not to return from the US), but a century later Riel's image is rehabilitated and he's recognized as a father of confederation for bringing Manitoba into Canada. And Macdonald is remembered for completion of the trans-continental railroad, his drinking and finances are just amusing background. If Harper had broken his promise not to let his fundamentalist Christian values influence his leadership that would be an issue, but so far he's clean on that too. You can't hang him for something you can't prove in court, and he didn't exactly invent the tactic of plausibly denying accusations when there's a bagman standing there to taake the blame. $90 thou is a bribe, $12 thou for expenses while Duffy was still sitting in chambers is standard party policy, not an official crime.
There's gold in the Yukon, that much is certain, most of it mined by a writer named Burton. (from This Country in the Morning)

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I can't see why you get so strongly interested in this. The circumstantial evidence against Harper is compelling, he was peripherally involved in some redirection of funds, something not lawful in Canada. He lied about the matter.

So what? He's a politician, of course there's impropriety around him, of course he lies about such things. He's not going to resign over it and it's not going to matter to his constituency, his electoral chances will be unaffected.

I think his religiosity and his hair are bigger barriers to his being elected than his mendacity and he's been able to overcome those handicaps, he'll ride out this ripple.

Re: OK. Harper's dead meat...
 

agree

like it or not we are stuck with him

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Couldn't have put it better myself. It is wishful thinking if you think this is going to bring Harper down. What is more troubling is that the sorry state of the opposition in Canada probably means that the conservatives will win the next election and that Harper & his brand of conservatism will be in power for the foreseeable future.

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*Berton (couldn't edit, smartphone thing)
I think Mulcair is making a few points but he'll have to know when to pipe down when he runs out of substance because the people tire of rhetoric quickly and every minute spent arguing about the senate in the house keeps them from our other business. While I don't think they'll make a government anytime soon it's good to see him getting more polished and focused. A good opposition is esssential for keeping Ottawa in check and he seems sincere enough.. Trudeau, well I don't know really what sort of support he has right now but he probably feels some pressure to assert himself now to make up for his percieved gaffe of Ladies Night and China comment. I don't think he wants to be advised too much; his moral compass and Sophie's influence put him so far left he should be in the NDP.

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Yes, very we'll said.

In addition, if there was some latent public outrage to be had, that has been tapped into by the Rob Ford pantomime so it's hard to see Steve's hair get overly ruffled at this stage of the game.

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Yet Ford gets his powers stripped by Council for something just as bad!