No one is iliegal
Aug 19th 2014, 5:02 pm
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Re: No one is iliegal
This is the type of racism complained about in the link at the top of the thread. My experience is with white undocumented workers from England and Ireland, working in the building trades, catering and the computer business. AFAIK, none of them has been any good at making curry.
Aug 19th 2014, 5:03 pm
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Re: No one is iliegal
I personally am commiting a technical offence of that nature just about every moment I'm awake. Canada has a lot of laws, some for everyone, so we all break some every day. The merit of undocumented workers is that they care not to get caught, they try not to speed, not to be obviously drunk at the wheel, not to fight inside the bar. They try to be inconspicuous. Documented workers can afford to behave less well as they can just pay the fines.
I suppose all the posters on this thread are working in a foreign country, Canada. It's not our country, we belong here as much or as little as the people being rounded up. We shouldn't think ourselves better than them.
I suppose all the posters on this thread are working in a foreign country, Canada. It's not our country, we belong here as much or as little as the people being rounded up. We shouldn't think ourselves better than them.
Aug 19th 2014, 5:13 pm
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Re: No one is iliegal
DB how ironic, I'm in catering, I make a great curry. My colour is not relevant to this topic, you bring racism into this and you should not. Disgraceful.
This is about legally being allowed to be here and returning those that are not legally here and the means that this is being facilitated. Disgraceful.
This is about legally being allowed to be here and returning those that are not legally here and the means that this is being facilitated. Disgraceful.
Aug 19th 2014, 5:16 pm
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Re: No one is iliegal
Uh, yeah, right. It's not like we sent the government a huge pile of paperwork and waited three years for them to decide to let is in because we wanted to do things the right way. Clealry we're no better than those who just came here illegally.
Aug 19th 2014, 5:19 pm
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I sense you are trawling my posts looking for anything slightly racist..... Trawl on.
Aug 19th 2014, 5:21 pm
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Sounds like the kind of thing that will stop once they get the new ESTA-like system in place, then. May well be one of the reasons they're pushing that all of a sudden.
Aug 19th 2014, 5:56 pm
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Re: No one is iliegal
Better? No, we're not better.
Aug 19th 2014, 6:01 pm
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Re: No one is iliegal
I personally am commiting a technical offence of that nature just about every moment I'm awake. Canada has a lot of laws, some for everyone, so we all break some every day. The merit of undocumented workers is that they care not to get caught, they try not to speed, not to be obviously drunk at the wheel, not to fight inside the bar. They try to be inconspicuous. Documented workers can afford to behave less well as they can just pay the fines
I suppose all the posters on this thread are working in a foreign country, Canada. It's not our country, we belong here as much or as little as the people being rounded up. We shouldn't think ourselves better than them.
I suppose all the posters on this thread are working in a foreign country, Canada. It's not our country, we belong here as much or as little as the people being rounded up. We shouldn't think ourselves better than them.
Aug 19th 2014, 6:03 pm
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Re: No one is iliegal
Of course it matters how they were caught. Or do you want to live in the kind of society where your neighbours will inform on you to the Stasi, or an armed policeman can demand that you present identification papers at any time while you're going about your everyday business?
It is to prevent the sort of police state that so many immigrants have fled from, that there are rules about how arrests and searches can be made. It's all very well for us economic migrants to sit on an internet forum and pontificate about it, but we are only one piece of Canada's immigration pattern. Very many more are fleeing war, famine, oppression, or all three. The last thing they should have to deal with is a government that thinks it's OK to break its own rules, or an immigration service that is able to stop people on the street for no other reason than to utter a Great Escape-style "Papieren, bitte."
It is to prevent the sort of police state that so many immigrants have fled from, that there are rules about how arrests and searches can be made. It's all very well for us economic migrants to sit on an internet forum and pontificate about it, but we are only one piece of Canada's immigration pattern. Very many more are fleeing war, famine, oppression, or all three. The last thing they should have to deal with is a government that thinks it's OK to break its own rules, or an immigration service that is able to stop people on the street for no other reason than to utter a Great Escape-style "Papieren, bitte."
It always surprises me that "immigrants" themselves have so little sympathy... You know how long and arduous the process is and yet you still believe in that narrow minded way that somehow for asylum seekers and others that it's so easy to get into a country. You're lucky, you had the option of waiting out your years for PR in relative comfort without fear of violence/famine or death of you or your loved ones. Just because you had the good grace to be born in a country which wasn't out to kill you and make your life a misery. Probably the same migrants who moved cause of all those "foreigners coming and taking our jobs". I despise that attitude and those who share it.
Aug 19th 2014, 6:03 pm
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Not really, no. The thread started with an allegation that the sweeps for illegal immigrants are racist in nature, you characterised illegal immigrants as being likely to be able to make curry and/or to have TB or Ebola. Quality cooking and exotic diseases are not commonly thought of as being attributes of the British, the suggestion therefore is that the illegal immigrants are from the third world which, in context, leaps out as being the same dodgy assumption that the police are accused of making. There was no need to trawl.
Aug 19th 2014, 6:07 pm
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In what way do we belong here? We're not seal clubbers, we don't chop down trees for a living, few of us even speak French. We're just carpetbaggers, here to exploit the economy. We're not in any way morally superior to other people doing the same thing but starting from a position of disadvantage.
Aug 19th 2014, 6:17 pm
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Not really, no. The thread started with an allegation that the sweeps for illegal immigrants are racist in nature, you characterised illegal immigrants as being likely to be able to make curry and/or to have TB or Ebola. Quality cooking and exotic diseases are not commonly thought of as being attributes of the British, the suggestion therefore is that the illegal immigrants are from the third world which, in context, leaps out as being the same dodgy assumption that the police are accused of making. There was no need to trawl.
So you accept you made a bad assumption, your apology is accepted.
Aug 19th 2014, 6:26 pm
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Re: No one is iliegal
I make some quality exotic dishes and there are people in UK that have TB, funnily enough my grandfather died of TB, so your assumptions are incorrect. I like many immigrants were checked for TB before being accepted for this very privileged right to live and legally work in Canada.
So you accept you made a bad assumption, your apology is accepted.
So you accept you made a bad assumption, your apology is accepted.
Aug 19th 2014, 6:31 pm
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Re: No one is iliegal
I make some quality exotic dishes and there are people in UK that have TB, funnily enough my grandfather died of TB, so your assumptions are incorrect. I like many immigrants were checked for TB before being accepted for this very privileged right to live and legally work in Canada.
So you accept you made a bad assumption, your apology is accepted.
So you accept you made a bad assumption, your apology is accepted.
By the way, the official public health statistics for England indicate that of the 8,000 or so cases of TB reported in 2013, 73% of patients were born outside the UK, the majority of whom were from south Asia (60%) and sub-saharan Africa (22%). PUblic health programs in the UK had almost eliminated the disease from the indigenous population by the late 1990s; it's amazing what a wealthy first world nation with a sound public health policy can achieve in comparison to the country of origin of your average illegal immigrant...