Go Back  British Expats > Living & Moving Abroad > Canada > The Maple Leaf
Reload this Page >

multiculturalism in Canada

Wikiposts

multiculturalism in Canada

Thread Tools
 
Old Sep 9th 2013 | 6:46 am
  #61  
not2old's Avatar
Dichotomus tinker
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 6,700
From: Ontario, Canada
not2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: multiculturalism in Canada

Originally Posted by montreal mike
simple question, I hope:

does anyone know why multiculturalism is a relative non issue in this country?.
dunno, cannot even guess - what do you say Mike?
 
Old Sep 9th 2013 | 6:51 am
  #62  
Shard's Avatar
Realist
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 24,667
From: UK
Shard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: multiculturalism in Canada

Originally Posted by montreal mike
simple question, I hope:

does anyone know why multiculturalism is a relative non issue in this country?.

yet in England , France, Germany, perhaps even Italy, it seems to not be working that well
It obviously has something to do with the length of cultural history in a place. With a modern history of just over a hundred years, most in Canada realise the culture is not that defined. The only ones who really can complain are the FN (natives).
 
Old Sep 9th 2013 | 7:09 am
  #63  
dbd33's Avatar
Assimilated Pauper
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 40,070
From: Ontario
dbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: multiculturalism in Canada

Originally Posted by montreal mike
does anyone know why multiculturalism is a relative non issue in this country?.

yet in England , France, Germany, perhaps even Italy, it seems to not be working that well
The issue would be better couched as "why has facism not taken root here in the way that it has in the countries listed?". I think it's because the population is too diverse. There are parties of the far right, Harper represents one, but those parties can't gain electoral traction without moderating their positions. For example, Harper would, I feel, prefer not to have to support gay marriage but such an illiberal stance would make him unelectable.

The EDL, the FN and similar parties need an uneducated mass of similar looking people to form an "us" and they need an identifiable "them". Toronto has too many groups to make that work. Small town Ontario though, places like Guelph and Orangeville, targets of white flight from Brampton, they're more promising ground; lots of bigots in those places.
 
Old Sep 9th 2013 | 7:21 am
  #64  
Shard's Avatar
Realist
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 24,667
From: UK
Shard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: multiculturalism in Canada

Originally Posted by dbd33
The issue would be better couched as "why has facism not taken root here in the way that it has in the countries listed?". I think it's because the population is too diverse. There are parties of the far right, Harper represents one, but those parties can't gain electoral traction without moderating their positions. For example, Harper would, I feel, prefer not to have to support gay marriage but such an illiberal stance would make him unelectable.

The EDL, the FN and similar parties need an uneducated mass of similar looking people to form an "us" and they need an identifiable "them". Toronto has too many groups to make that work. Small town Ontario though, places like Guelph and Orangeville, targets of white flight from Brampton, they're more promising ground; lots of bigots in those places.
EDL is not a party, and even the BNP has very limited support. I don't think you can say there is any sizeable fascist element in Britain at present.
 
Old Sep 9th 2013 | 7:32 am
  #65  
dbd33's Avatar
Assimilated Pauper
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 40,070
From: Ontario
dbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: multiculturalism in Canada

Originally Posted by Shard
EDL is not a party, and even the BNP has very limited support. I don't think you can say there is any sizeable fascist element in Britain at present.
And the UKIP?
 
Old Sep 9th 2013 | 7:48 am
  #66  
Shard's Avatar
Realist
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 24,667
From: UK
Shard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: multiculturalism in Canada

Originally Posted by dbd33
And the UKIP?
They could be accused of general crank-pottery, but they're not fascist. It's an exaggeration to say that, although obviously some politicians find it a convenient one.
 
Old Sep 9th 2013 | 9:01 am
  #67  
limey party pooper
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 10,000
bats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: multiculturalism in Canada

More xenophobic thasn fascist.

Canada has this
taken from Wikipedia.

The Canadian Multiculturalism Act affirms the policy of the government to ensure that every Canadian receives equal treatment by the government which respects and celebrates diversity. The Act also: [5]

recognizes Canada's multicultural heritage and that this heritage must be protected recognizes Aboriginal rights recognizes English and French remain the only official languages but that other languages may be used recognizes equality rights regardless of colour, religion, etc. recognizes minorities' rights to enjoy their cultures.

Other countries generally try to make immigrants take on the local norms.

In Canada the locals support my wish to Morris dance down the street while singing Land of Hope and Glory and eating Walkers cheese and onion crisps.
 
Old Sep 9th 2013 | 9:05 am
  #68  
not2old's Avatar
Dichotomus tinker
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 6,700
From: Ontario, Canada
not2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: multiculturalism in Canada

Originally Posted by bats

In Canada the locals support my wish to Morris dance down the street while singing Land of Hope and Glory and eating Walkers cheese and onion crisps.
you wouldn't get away with that in the street that I live in, cos the locals would call 911 citing a loud disturbance of the peace or racial overtones

See - multiculturalism works
 
Old Sep 9th 2013 | 9:22 am
  #69  
Shard's Avatar
Realist
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 24,667
From: UK
Shard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond reputeShard has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: multiculturalism in Canada

Originally Posted by bats

The Canadian Multiculturalism Act affirms the policy of the government to ensure that every Canadian receives equal treatment by the government which respects and celebrates diversity. The Act also: [5]

recognizes Canada's multicultural heritage and that this heritage must be protected recognizes Aboriginal rights recognizes English and French remain the only official languages but that other languages may be used recognizes equality rights regardless of colour, religion, etc. recognizes minorities' rights to enjoy their cultures.

Other countries generally try to make immigrants take on the local norms.
Well, every country has its norms, even Canada. The question is if distinct cultures are protected and nurtured, do the factions as they grow eventually start to become disharmonious.

Without even considering immigration there are strains between the three founding cultures: Anglo, French and Native. Not sure if the model will hold out another century...
 
Old Sep 9th 2013 | 9:28 am
  #70  
limey party pooper
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 10,000
bats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond reputebats has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: multiculturalism in Canada

Originally Posted by not2old
you wouldn't get away with that in the street that I live in, cos the locals would call 911 citing a loud disturbance of the peace or racial overtones

See - multiculturalism works
Shall I try it?
 
Old Sep 9th 2013 | 10:18 am
  #71  
not2old's Avatar
Dichotomus tinker
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 6,700
From: Ontario, Canada
not2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: multiculturalism in Canada

Originally Posted by Shard

Without even considering immigration there are strains between the three founding cultures: Anglo, French and Native. Not sure if the model will hold out another century...
definitely not in the now 49% ethnic Toronto population, where soon the white population will be the minority within the next 10 years

Then again the Toronto city is only 2.6 million with its GTA of 6 million people.
 
Old Sep 9th 2013 | 10:19 am
  #72  
not2old's Avatar
Dichotomus tinker
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 6,700
From: Ontario, Canada
not2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: multiculturalism in Canada

Originally Posted by bats
Shall I try it?

in post 67 I understood (or mistook) that you'd already done it?

However it would be fun to see you Morris dancing, singing land of hope and
glory & eating a pack of pork rinds in a street of non white christians ... they'd think you were mad or causing a disturbance

Last edited by not2old; Sep 9th 2013 at 10:23 am.
 
Old Sep 9th 2013 | 11:39 am
  #73  
Thread Starter
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,124
montreal mike has a reputation beyond reputemontreal mike has a reputation beyond reputemontreal mike has a reputation beyond reputemontreal mike has a reputation beyond reputemontreal mike has a reputation beyond reputemontreal mike has a reputation beyond reputemontreal mike has a reputation beyond reputemontreal mike has a reputation beyond reputemontreal mike has a reputation beyond reputemontreal mike has a reputation beyond reputemontreal mike has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: multiculturalism in Canada

Originally Posted by not2old
dunno, cannot even guess - what do you say Mike?
being able to get along reasonably well but not necessarily one happy family; peaceful, a lack of riots in streets; and no one ethnic/religious group becoming predominant group to the discomfort/annoyance of others, whether the others be caucasians or visible minorities
 
Old Sep 9th 2013 | 12:29 pm
  #74  
Binned by Muderators
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 11,708
From: White Rock BC
JonboyE has a reputation beyond reputeJonboyE has a reputation beyond reputeJonboyE has a reputation beyond reputeJonboyE has a reputation beyond reputeJonboyE has a reputation beyond reputeJonboyE has a reputation beyond reputeJonboyE has a reputation beyond reputeJonboyE has a reputation beyond reputeJonboyE has a reputation beyond reputeJonboyE has a reputation beyond reputeJonboyE has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: multiculturalism in Canada

Originally Posted by montreal mike
being able to get along reasonably well but not necessarily one happy family; peaceful, a lack of riots in streets; and no one ethnic/religious group becoming predominant group to the discomfort/annoyance of others, whether the others be caucasians or visible minorities
I think that pretty much describes it in Vancouver.

Last edited by JonboyE; Sep 9th 2013 at 12:48 pm.
 
Old Sep 9th 2013 | 1:03 pm
  #75  
dbd33's Avatar
Assimilated Pauper
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 40,070
From: Ontario
dbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: multiculturalism in Canada

Originally Posted by montreal mike
being able to get along reasonably well but not necessarily one happy family; peaceful, a lack of riots in streets; and no one ethnic/religious group becoming predominant group to the discomfort/annoyance of others, whether the others be caucasians or visible minorities
That also describes life in Toronto, where there is at least one active Morris side. It may well be that the population is united in bewilderment at it.
 


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Your Privacy Choices

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.