Originally Posted by dbd33

There's no such enlightened attitude in Toronto. Here one should make sure that one is colour coded to match the children.

Originally Posted by Lees147

I must admit it is pretty bad having to live with it everyday.

Like i said it is no fault of the immigrants though the fault lies with the people who say that even mentioning a foreign word is 'racist' I.E. Black. (Let me remind people that this is a description and in the context it is spoken it CAN become racial but it is not always racial).

The trouble is if you hear about the way schools are run nowadays:

Christmas does not exist it is ... Winter festival
No longer are you allowed to sing the national anthem
Say the lords prayer
The list does go on but it is not the immigrants asking for us to change this it is some Muppet on the council or in parliament. We can not be blaming Muslims, blacks, Europeans or any of the other cultures/religions/races for these things happening.

I would never dream of going to live in canada and saying:

You cant celebrate Thanksgiving or
You cant celebrate Halloween.

The trouble with the press is they make out like it is the immigrants fault and it's not you talk to any of the 'foriegners' i work with and they laugh at how stupid our government is for changing these things.

If it does offend people by celebrating Christmas whether it be a Jehovah's witness or anyone else it is the rules of the country. No one forces you to come or stay but like i said not many people get offended by it.

Originally Posted by Lees147

I must admit it is pretty bad having to live with it everyday.

Like i said it is no fault of the immigrants though the fault lies with the people who say that even mentioning a foreign word is 'racist' I.E. Black. (Let me remind people that this is a description and in the context it is spoken it CAN become racial but it is not always racial).

The trouble is if you hear about the way schools are run nowadays:

Christmas does not exist it is ... Winter festival
No longer are you allowed to sing the national anthem
Say the lords prayer
The list does go on but it is not the immigrants asking for us to change this it is some Muppet on the council or in parliament. We can not be blaming Muslims, blacks, Europeans or any of the other cultures/religions/races for these things happening.

I would never dream of going to live in canada and saying:

You cant celebrate Thanksgiving or
You cant celebrate Halloween.

The trouble with the press is they make out like it is the immigrants fault and it's not you talk to any of the 'foriegners' i work with and they laugh at how stupid our government is for changing these things.

If it does offend people by celebrating Christmas whether it be a Jehovah's witness or anyone else it is the rules of the country. No one forces you to come or stay but like i said not many people get offended by it.

Originally Posted by grammy

You're not talking about those bloody Hawaiians are you? I can't believe the number of Hawaiian plumbers that have been coming over in the last few years. They're fat bastards too!

Originally Posted by montreal mike

You do make some perfectly valid points. The same insanity is prevalent in Canada. Christmas has become de facto a dirty word. I thoroughly object to a Christmas card wishing me 'Happy Holidays'. It is sheer lunacy trying to make everything all inclusive. I would not be surprised one day to see the Powers-That-Be relabeling New Year's day as 'Public Holiday Number One' with Boxing Day as 'Public Holiday Number Ten'. This would get rid if the need to refer to Easter and Christmas.

Stupid, stupid, stupid!

And it seems to me this does nothing for the Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and other non-Christian faiths. If inded it is designed to placate them or somehow make then feel more at home then it is a very patronizing move.

Originally Posted by montreal mike

Here is an item I came across this evening. It comes from a credible source so it isn't simply hearsay. It isn't media exaggeration either. It speaks of homophobia and racial hatred. So we are not just talking about a bunch of run-of-the-mill thugs. Is this the sort of thing that one can now expect in the UK? Or is this, hopefully, an isolated rare occurrence?

More troubling is this and I quote 'All four defendants, who have previous convictions, face deportation after their sentences have been served.' This begs the question: How did they get in in the first place?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/6143734.stm

Originally Posted by montreal mike

Here is an item I came across this evening. It comes from a credible source so it isn't simply hearsay. It isn't media exaggeration either. It speaks of homophobia and racial hatred. So we are not just talking about a bunch of run-of-the-mill thugs. Is this the sort of thing that one can now expect in the UK? Or is this, hopefully, an isolated rare occurrence?

More troubling is this and I quote 'All four defendants, who have previous convictions, face deportation after their sentences have been served.' This begs the question: How did they get in in the first place?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/6143734.stm

Originally Posted by buzz365

Yes mike its all very unfortunate and i see no end.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/race/story/0,,1889327,00.html
http://society.guardian.co.uk/crimea...834858,00.html

Originally Posted by rizwan_fareed

I wouldnt be suprised if sometime down the future muslims will face the same consequences (in the UK) as the jews did (in Germany/Poland)

Originally Posted by Craftybanshee

I read your links and I don't know how people can be so hateful It's a sad, bad world we live in, but we also need to try and see the positives.

Good things still happen, but people tend to like to focus on the negative, especially on here. I sometimes feel like it's one big 'therapy' room and people just let rip!

Originally Posted by buzz365

It saddens me that you should feel that way. For me the british are amongst the nices people on the planet. There has been a long history of accepting people from other lands here. On the whole i dont think people here care who you are or where you come from just as long as it doesnt affect there way of life. Presently this is what is causing the greatest concern.

Originally Posted by rizwan_fareed

I wouldnt be suprised if sometime down the future muslims will face the same consequences (in the UK) as the jews did (in Germany/Poland)

Originally Posted by montreal mike

You do make some perfectly valid points. The same insanity is prevalent in Canada. Christmas has become de facto a dirty word. I thoroughly object to a Christmas card wishing me 'Happy Holidays'. It is sheer lunacy trying to make everything all inclusive. I would not be surprised one day to see the Powers-That-Be relabeling New Year's day as 'Public Holiday Number One' with Boxing Day as 'Public Holiday Number Ten'. This would get rid if the need to refer to Easter and Christmas.

Stupid, stupid, stupid!

And it seems to me this does nothing for the Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and other non-Christian faiths. If inded it is designed to placate them or somehow make then feel more at home then it is a very patronizing move.