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Old Mar 9th 2014 | 3:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
Would you still say that if they'd been UK and Canadian passports?
Exactly. I was surprised when I was in Helsinki just how many Asian Finns there are. I expected loads of blue-eyed blonds but there were loads of people of Asian appearance.
 
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
Would you still say that if they'd been UK and Canadian passports?
no since both these countries are heavily multicultural

somehow i do not think this is the case in that region of asia
 
Old Mar 9th 2014 | 4:12 pm
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Originally Posted by montreal mike
no since both these countries are heavily multicultural

somehow i do not think this is the case in that region of asia
But Austria and Italy (the nationalities of the stolen passports) are multicultural.
 
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Originally Posted by Dorothy
But Austria and Italy (the nationalities of the stolen passports) are multicultural.
Yes that could apply in some degree to most of europe

Even so the point being is the Home Minister is criticizing border officials who let them through. He said 'Can't these immigration officials think? Italian and Austrian (passport holders) but with Asian faces'

He has a valid point.

It seems to me the officials, seeing Asian faces with European passports, might have seen a red flag and checked them out. They could well have been legit.

This was however not to be.

I do not fly internationally any more as i once did but it would be nice to know that people are not asleep at the switch
 
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Originally Posted by montreal mike
It seems to me the officials, seeing Asian faces with European passports, might have seen a red flag and checked them out. They could well have been legit.
For western countries who are multi-cultural, I am not sure seeing Asians with those passports would really raise any red flags these days, you can't judge where someone comes from anymore based on how they look.

Look at the 2 Canadians on board, using the above quote, should they have been red flagged because they didn't appear to be what someone might perceive a Canadian to look like?
 
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Two of the 6 Australians were Li Yuan and Gu Naijun. Strange, eh? Western passports with Asian names.
 
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Originally Posted by Dorothy
Two of the 6 Australians were Li Yuan and Gu Naijun. Strange, eh? Western passports with Asian names.
Obviously naturalized citizens....


but if aussie born? then obviously born to chinese/aussie parents lol
 
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Obviously naturalized citizens....


but if aussie born? then obviously born to chinese/aussie parents lol
My point is that Asian looking people can actually be westerners. Why couldn't Luigi and Christian be actually Italian and Austrian but with Asian parents? Mixed race parents perhaps?
 
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Originally Posted by Dorothy
My point is that Asian looking people can actually be westerners. Why couldn't Luigi and Christian be actually Italian and Austrian but with Asian parents? Mixed race parents perhaps?
Back then no... but now? of course it's called 'PROGRESS'


Get a baby from china raise him in aussie? he will call him self an aussie sound like an aussie but look 100% Asian... the world is changing... i have no problem with that.

but what i find weird is... Aussie passport with asian names on it.. just sounds wrong i think IMHO but hey that's just me.
 
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Originally Posted by Vexcore
Obviously naturalized citizens....


but if aussie born? then obviously born to chinese/aussie parents lol

I have a friend who is of Asian descent, and has an Asian name, but was born, raised in Canada, and guess what his parents were born in Canada as well. But his grandparents were immigrants, but my friend and his parents are just as much Canadian as anyone else.

Where one may "look" to be from based on name or appearance, is not a reliable way of figuring out where someone is from. Pretty much everyone in North America is descended from somewhere else, as are most of the people in Australia, so looking Asian and of Asian descent, does not mean one is any less Canadian or Australian. A white person born in Australia is no more Australian then someone born there who happens to be of Asian descent or anywhere else.

My friend is more Canadian then my girlfriend is, who is 1st generation Canadian, as her parents are from Austria, and she was conceived in Austria, but born in Canada.

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Old Mar 9th 2014 | 10:56 pm
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Originally Posted by montreal mike
Yes that could apply in some degree to most of europe

Even so the point being is the Home Minister is criticizing border officials who let them through. He said 'Can't these immigration officials think? Italian and Austrian (passport holders) but with Asian faces'

He has a valid point.

It seems to me the officials, seeing Asian faces with European passports, might have seen a red flag and checked them out. They could well have been legit.

This was however not to be.

I do not fly internationally any more as i once did but it would be nice to know that people are not asleep at the switch
I don't think he has a major point. So much inter-marriage these days, it won't be uncommon for people's names to not match their ethnic look.

I think the real issue is the Malaysian border didn't enter the passport details into a database which would have shown the passports to be stolen. Possibly they could have used the name/ethnic mismatch to do that.
 
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Maybe the plane just disintegrated into small pieces? That is one theory going around now.

Does seem odd if its not a deep sea/ocean that it would be this hard to find if there were any large pieces of wreckage.
 
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Maybe the plane just disintegrated into small pieces? That is one theory going around now.

Does seem odd if its not a deep sea/ocean that it would be this hard to find if there were any large pieces of wreckage.
Given that it's not exactly open ocean around there, and there's quite a bit of political sensitivity, you would think the Americans would know exactly what has happened to the plane.
 
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Originally Posted by Shard
Given that it's not exactly open ocean around there, and there's quite a bit of political sensitivity, you would think the Americans would know exactly what has happened to the plane.
You'd think, the US say's they checked their spy satellite images (of which there are apparently numerous in that area) and say they haven't seen anything, but who knows.

But this wouldn't be the first time a large plane has gone missing and not found, there are some still some out there from the past that have not been found to this day, so its not completely unheard of.


The oil slick they located is apparently not from an aircraft, but from a ship.

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
But this wouldn't be the first time a large plane has gone missing and not found, there are some still some out there from the past that have not been found to this day, so its not completely unheard of.
Can you corroborate that assertion? I don't believe a modern airliner has disappeared without a trace anytime in my lifetime. (Which is greater than yours). Even AF447 was eventually found some 2 years after it crashed. Wreckage was found 5 days after the crash.

IMHO MH370 likely crashed but for some reason authorities are looking in completely the wrong place. That they are looking in the Malacca Strait now (some hundreds of miles off its route) is interesting.
 


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