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Alan2005 Aug 9th 2011 12:55 pm

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9549025)
Here's a question for the wise ones: How would you bring the rioting under control?

I say the government should print a few million to cover the losses of the looted businesses and then print off another few million to give the looters as bonuses.

Almost Canadian Aug 9th 2011 1:24 pm

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by London Mike (Post 9549089)
Umm, the fact that you seem to be suggesting that there is no such thing as the glass ceiling. Or if there is, why don't women stop moaning about it and go and launch their own business and act in a similar manner.

Just come back to me on this. Are you suggesting either/both of these things?

I accept that glass ceilings exist. I also accept that there are women smart enough with ability enough to start their own businesses and knock spots of their male competition.

I also believe that there are women that don't have the ability and, glass ceilings or not, would never be promoted on merit. They, rather than accept this, will complain incessantly that the only reason why they are not being promoted is because of glass ceilings. They then launch law suits where, when they inevitably fail, they then blame fat cat lawyers, never accepting that they are were they are because they have limited ability.

In my, I guess, skewed world, one puts up or doesn't.

Have you ever started a business and run it successfully or are you an expert without proven track record to support your expertise?

As Alan2005 once said, too many believe they are entitled to earn loads of money for making widgets.

nfitz Aug 9th 2011 1:32 pm

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by Alphawolf (Post 9546297)
i'm pretty sure it hasn't changed in the time since you came here, always makes me laugh when Brits complain of how bad Canada is, go back if you don't like it, why hang around here and complain about it

Been 40 years now ... I can't imagine why anyone would want to move to such a dreadful climate. The Brits with sense went to New Zealand. Though to be honest, the climate is my only major beef.

It wasn't my idea though ... it was my father ... 40 years ago now. And of course, now, virtually all my family, and my roots, are here. So there's no point going back ... family is important. Of course my father pissed off to Vancouver a few years ago ... to escape the weather. And he wonders why he rarely sees the grandkids ...

Almost Canadian Aug 9th 2011 1:38 pm

Re: London Riots
 
We're all doomed and none of it is our fault.;)

caretaker Aug 9th 2011 1:54 pm

Re: London Riots
 
Q: Will they riot in Putney?
A: Maybe, if Waitrose runs out of organic bread.
Citizens in Putney have gathered up their cricket bats and polo mallets and stand ready to aid police if there's a riot.
Likely to be no looting in Putney as all teenagers are at their parents' villas in Spain for the summer.
I've added substantial riot protection to my shop fit-out list. Can see the youth of Putney turning criminal for a bit of brie.
There was a riot in Putney Strada last night; I couldn't even get a table.
There's a slim book by a Canadian (forget who) called Generals Die In Bed. Parts of it were plagarized by Erich Maria Remark in All Quiet on The Western Front. In GDIB the author recounts the looting of the town of Arras, which was denied and officialy buried by the powers of the day. Canadian troops on their way to the front (can't remember which battle), were trucked and marched around for a few days with no food and little rest then assembled in the main street of Arras and ordered to wait in ranks. The French had fled the town and shop windows with cheese, wine, bread and meat lined the main street. Sooner or later someone picked up a rock and they all ate. Even the officers got drunk and on the second day when British mounted military police attempted to intervene their horses were shot out from underneath them. I think it took about 4 days for the troops to sober up and regroup. It might of been the Somme they were heading for, I'm not sure.
edit: it was Vimy Ridge they were staging for

BristolUK Aug 9th 2011 1:55 pm

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9549147)
As Alan2005 once said, too many believe they are entitled to earn loads of money for making widgets.

The widgets I know are those things that a brewery put in beer cans to produce a draught beer effect.

I thought they worked a treat, so a fortune would be well deserved.:thumbsup:

Lemi Aug 9th 2011 1:59 pm

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by Greenhill (Post 9549080)
Hand out free flat screen TVs and iPhones to poor, delinquent, under 18's...

And big bags of Basmati rice. :blink:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...88_634x663.jpg

JamesM Aug 9th 2011 3:54 pm

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 9549215)
The widgets I know are those things that a brewery put in beer cans to produce a draught beer effect.

I thought they worked a treat, so a fortune would be well deserved.:thumbsup:

Sorry Man- that is just a poor sales gimmick.

The only way to drink beer from a can is to put it in a pint glass.

JamesM Aug 9th 2011 3:57 pm

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9549025)
Here's a question for the wise ones: How would you bring the rioting under control?

As the wisest person on the forum (let us all be frank my competition is not hot) it would have comfortably been solved with tougher policing on night 2. :)

Cheques in the mail. It will fund my bid to be the next Mayor of London (honest).

Oink Aug 9th 2011 6:08 pm

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 9549013)
OI!!! Watch it, sunshine.

Signed, A High-Calibre Knob.
;)

Given your background you obviously care. :thumbup:



el_richo Aug 9th 2011 6:10 pm

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by London Mike (Post 9549076)
Cuts were inevitable but Cameron has, in my view, used the economic circumstances (a bubble that started under Thatcher) to justify a whole program of ideological cuts. I can guarantee you that the people who have benefited most from Cameron in the past 12 months are the top 5% income earners in the UK. Those at the bottom, including the families of those with kids on the streets causing mayhem I imagine, are now definitely worse off. If you want I can list you the policies and cuts that he's taken that have totally alienated this population from society. Why should they now care when they see bankers once again filling their vaults and corporate tax cuts going to the rich?

Is that the way to reduce societal divisions and tension? Don't you think it's telling that these parents don't care where their children are? These are the parents who grew up under Thatcher, and many live on the poorest council estates in England. They were hit hardest then and they're being hit hard again now; now they see even more problems for their kids. I'm sure there are many responsible parents on council estates in London but there will be a minority who don't care about - or perhaps even support the idea that - their child will attack the state. One story from Hackney was interesting: someone actually put his kid on top of a burnt out car and took a picture of it. That's one for the trophy cabinet, I expect.

In Victorian times when disease was rife everywhere, even the government then knew that the way to stop the palaces burning was to build sewers and parks in the east end. And it worked. Get what I'm saying?

Modern media is more to "blame" than the government, in my opinion.

dbd33 Aug 9th 2011 11:13 pm

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9549147)
Have you ever started a business and run it successfully or are you an expert without proven track record to support your expertise?

I have. I cheated though, I emigrated first. I've simply no idea how a poor person living in a project in London could start a business, buy a house, run a car in compliance with the law. All of those things that were out of reach for me then are out of reach for them now. One could, I suppose, make a case that rioting at home, if it were in the hope of change, displays more commitment than bolting for this terre nullius.

caretaker Aug 10th 2011 1:44 am

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An analyst on the news yesterday said that under Gordon Brown 1 in 4 youth were 'neets' (not in education, employment, or training), and that since the election their numbers have swelled to 1 in 3. An extra %25 of potentialy disenfranchised people is a lot in such a short time if that's correct.

London Mike Aug 10th 2011 1:46 am

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 9550409)
An analyst on the news yesterday said that under Gordon Brown 1 in 4 youth were 'neets' (not in education, employment, or training), and that since the election their numbers have swelled to 1 in 3. An extra %25 of potentialy disenfranchised people is a lot in such a short time if that's correct.

Thanks for this post. Confirms what I was saying earlier, though I didn't know that the national average was 1 in 3. :blink:

jimf Aug 10th 2011 2:03 am

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 9550409)
An analyst on the news yesterday said that under Gordon Brown 1 in 4 youth were 'neets' (not in education, employment, or training), and that since the election their numbers have swelled to 1 in 3. An extra %25 of potentialy disenfranchised people is a lot in such a short time if that's correct.

It was also reported that there are approx 3000 apprentice vacancies in London right now.


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