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I am not sure if anyone is moving back to this area soon. But def something to be aware of.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14442935

This makes me so sad. Such a disgrace, do these people have no shame? Givng London a real bad name. I was born and raised in North and East London and watching this on tv has brought me close to tears. It really is disgusting.

Me and hubby were planning to move back to the Uk by 2013. Ideally it was going to be out of London anyway. But with all this going on, it is very unlikely to be London at all. It's scarey.. guess we are staying put for now..

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we have just left the south east of England and I have to say that I am really glad we did. Obviously these riots are not part of normal life there but normal life we found seems to be full of thugs and mindless violence, all in the quest to be "cool" or fit in with other teens.
Not all people are like that at all, but I could no longer walk down the road at night without encountering aggressive, foul mouthed teens and that just got me down. And we lived in a "nice" town.

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Have you ever thought that "these people" might have legitimate grievances that can't be addressed through the state apparatus?

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What is violence and looting going to solve? It is only damaging the communities even more. The economy is already fragile. This is only hurting local businesses, more people out of jobs and loss of confidence in the communities.

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Perhaps people who lack access to newspapers will have been alerted to this by the other thread.

We were in London yesterday and had dinner with someone who has recently emigrated there from Toronto. "These people" weren't mentioned but I was warned of a problem I hadn't previously considered; the "bicycle rush hour" is such that someone wanting to cycle for pleasure is well advised to avoid going out at that time. I blame Red Ken. Beyond this, the problem causing most concern was the old one, a one bedroom flat costs half a million pounds in unfashionable Limehouse and much much more in inexplicably trendy Wapping, these prices were a jolt to someone used to being an ersatz Eastender on the Danforth. Plus ca change then.

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You see a lot of similarites to these so-called riots. Cultural or ethnic tensions build between the dominant and minority communities and finally the minority community frustration builds to a point where violence breaks out. I'm not an expert in social disturbances but see very similar patterns, whether its in the US, France or the UK. And of course its not ideal for either side, but it happens and unless we understand why, it'll keep happening.

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One of "these" threads, and it's only Tuesday :thumbsup:

Riots in Vancouver
Murders in Edmonton
Riots in London
White Supremacists in Calgary
People's suggestion that you cannot walk the streets without mindless violence
Blah

The vast majority of people are unaffected and shouldn't make a decision solely based on any of it. If you do, you're an idiot.

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It might make the coppers a bit less likely to shoot first next time.

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Do we know why the police originally stopped the car containing the shooting victim? The news reports seem vague on that point.

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They do - and the police will probably revealed that the victim shot first. Still, the met has form in shooting people dead and then lying about it afterwards.

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He was wearing a hoodie.



And i read he was a drug dealer and gang member under surveillance and they were looking to take the mother****er down and clean the streets.

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Seems Waitrose in Islington has closed early.....

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Like expats and cradles?

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It's the second this week. Following the "Riots in Tottenham" thread.

I don't need to read the Daily Mail any more or watch Fox. All the fear in my life comes from British Expats.

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Such as?

Not being given for free, large screen TVs, fancy jewelry, liquor/beer etc, etc, because they're poor, undereducated and/or unemployed in no way, shape or form, permits anyone to steal, destroy other's property and possibly endanger lives of others. This is in London, Great Britain, a land of freedom and, for many, opportunity. There are agencies all over the place to help when one's life is going wrong. The UK one of the word's top countries in which to live. London is not Mogadishu, FCS.

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Their friends getting shot dead by the police. Even if they are scum and they deserved it.

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From what i read, the friends and family had a peaceful protest. It's the opportunistic wankers that ruin things.

That said, i've not really looked at it all in much detail cos i'm not really bothered unless they kick off near my property ;)

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I think that sums up my attitude to things like this perfectly. As I'm not affected I can just watch the chaos from afar and occasionally comment on it without knowing all the facts.

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It's the best place to be :thumbsup:

I blame the unemployed black muslim student gingers :thumbdown:

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what are they protesting. Duggan shot first, hitting a member in his radio. He took on the met and lost.

Given that it was armed police in the UK attemping to arrest him, they must have good intel that he was armed.

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Did Duggan have a stolen police issue gun then? According to the Graun the bullet in the radio was from a police weapon.

On edit: The position of the police is that an officer shot at Duggan twice, one of the bullets either missed or passed through him ending up in the radio, the other lodged in him. He is not claimed to have fired but was carrying a weapon adapted to fire live ammunition. His death doesn't seem a great loss to the world but, as noted above, the police do seem rather overkeen on killing members of the public.

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The Met are starting to look like they don't have a clue what to do. Rioters are out in force again tonight.

By all accounts the Police are no where in site.

Dare I say it......but the Police in Vancouver did a better job......

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The looting is a bit chavvy, they should be setting fire to police stations, banks and MPs houses.

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Apparently 333 in Police Custody have died since 1998 and not one Policeman charged.

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One wonders how many in custody would have died but for the actions of police officers during the same period;)

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Good call on the chaviness of looting. They should be spraying buses with ironic and clever situationist slogans.

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Does it give any indication as to the causes of death?

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We need some heads on sticks. If 'regrettable collateral damage' is tolerated elsewhere for the greater good, it should be tolerated here too.

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Nope. My source was the Guardian who are really going after the Met now.

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It's actually pretty serious now.

There are disturbances in Ealing and Croydon and it is beyond Police control...... My facebook is going crazy from contacts in London.

People are just turning up looting where ever they can.

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Apparently the army is popping in to sort out the peasant scum

I'm off to the beach to chill out shortly so hopefully there'll be some head bashing footage for when i get back :thumbup:

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Apparently the looters have been learning what to do from GTA IV. It says so in the Evening Standard (paper version) so it must be true. I'd get my copy of the game out so I could pick up a few rioting and looting tips, but unfortunately I already sold it to a man in a hoodie and a canucks top a couple of months ago.

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Are you not allowed to shoot looters? or is that just during a war?

Who cares, I vote "Shoot first, ask for permission later".

You know they are all just scumbag maggots, as they are looting things like Big screen TV's and stereo equipment, not important things like, you know, food maybe?

I don't care how young, or how un-educated, or un-previlaged they are, they are animals and should be treated as such.

Many of my family members were raised in "less prosperous" areas of Glasgow, but they never acted like this. They went to school, paid attention, and got their qualifications for future careers and University. So harping on about "oh, we don't any opportunities, there's nothing to do" etc etc, is absolute bull.

Kids and teens are lazy bastards these days, they want everything brought to their rooms on a plate while they play Halo or tweet about the latest fart they just did.

Our country needs a boot up the arse. Less of all the "I spilled hot coffee on myself so I'm going to sue you" attitude, just get on with your fekkin job.

I didn't start this post angry but I seem to be getting there :blink:

I'll stop now :o

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They should have listened to the Kaiser Chiefs. Apparently they predicted this back in 2005.

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I like riots. A bit of rioting allows the kids let off a bit of steam and then everything can go back to normal. No harm done.

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One wonders why the papers never mention people looting small or medium screen televisions. It would seem much more practical to walk home with a more compact model and, anyway, in the relatively small living rooms of the UK, large television screens tend to look vulgar. Were I caught up in a riot, I think I'd look for something in the 22 to 24" range.

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Granted, looting Morrisons doesn't quite have the same cache as storming the Bastille but you've still got to applaud the effort.

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This is the future and it's due to a large segment of society that is unemployed and mostly unemployable.

I grew up when everyone could find a job and didn't need a higher education. In todays job market it's almost impossible for these people to find a job, it's easier to thieve to exist.

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watching it now on sky news it's disgusting!

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Large societies that have heavy top down control have been having periodic riots for hundreds of years. I doubt the frequency of them will necessarily increase over the next 50 or so years.