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Almost Canadian Aug 9th 2011 6:27 am

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 9548169)
Ooh, that is soooo 1980s when those complaining of media bias were asked "well why don't you go and start your own newspsper then?"

Next week I'm going to start my own airline and when I've done that the week after I'm going to start a law firm. When that's done I plan to form a new football team. Champions League winners within 5 years.:rofl:

So, please tell me, what is there to stop a lawyer, that believes his employer is not treating him well, starting his own law firm? Or do you believe that all non lawyers should be allowed to do so?

When I came to Canada, I didn't like the way the Canadian law firms did things, so I started one myself. I believe I took a huge risk as there was no guarantee it would work, it did (I know I was lucky, the hours I put in and the loss of income I suffered had nothing to do with it) and I am now reaping the benefit.

Put it this way: Would you want to run your own business in the UK at the moment? What is there that prevents the disaffected from running their own businesses if they believe their conditions are so poor? Were all business owners in the UK parachuted into their current positions by wealthy relatives, or do you accept that some of them were disaffected and ...?

I suspect that most people haven't got the balls to put their lifestyle on the line to attempt to make a go of running their own business but seem to have contempt for those that do. Yes I know all the bankers completely screwed up the world but those that allowed them to do so have not been kicked to death in the polls. The electorate voted them in and deserve the Government they get.

As has been asked before, what would you have done differently?

Almost Canadian Aug 9th 2011 6:29 am

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Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 9548182)
Actually, I don't believe that you could do it against non-EU countries as I don't believe EU nations are allowed to set their own tarrifs. You'd have to get Brussels to agree and that won't happen... they only seem to listen to the French.

And, either way, if companies imported those goods from China into France and then from France to Britain you wouldn't be able to stop them.

I have no idea. It is years since I studied EU Law. I know that trade barriers within the EU are not permitted (but there are ways around that, the French are very good at doing so) but I have no idea how it works outside of the EU.

magnumpi Aug 9th 2011 6:32 am

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Looks like its all starting up again tonight. This is a country wide problem not just london. A glance at twitter tells all. Salford leeds liverpool Brum, its spreading like a fast spreading thingy.

Almost Canadian Aug 9th 2011 6:33 am

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by magnumpi (Post 9548197)
Looks like its all starting up again tonight. This is a country wide problem not just london. A glance at twitter tells all. Salford leeds liverpool Brum, its spreading like a fast spreading thingy.

Off with their heads! Why are we not hearing this?

Oink Aug 9th 2011 6:35 am

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The revolution be damned. This Burberry hooded psychosis better not interrupt the cricket tomorrow. :frown:

Auld Yin Aug 9th 2011 6:36 am

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9548211)
The revolution be damned. This Burberry hooded psychosis better not interrupt the cricket tomorrow. :frown:

Or you'll do what????

magnumpi Aug 9th 2011 6:37 am

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9548206)
Off with their heads! Why are we not hearing this?

I got BBc worl service on in my car. Wolves & Manchester city cntr, more in Liverpool as i type, as well now, and its only 7.30. They all frikkin mad.

MarkG Aug 9th 2011 6:38 am

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9548190)
I know that trade barriers within the EU are not permitted (but there are ways around that, the French are very good at doing so) but I have no idea how it works outside of the EU.

True, didn't the French government have one man whose job it was to check all video recorders being imported into the country at one point? I guess that kind of bureaucratic obstacle could be used to limit imports if you were really desperate to do so.

Oink Aug 9th 2011 6:39 am

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Originally Posted by Auld Yin (Post 9548214)
Or you'll do what????

Be jolly cross. :frown:

BristolUK Aug 9th 2011 6:54 am

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9548187)
What is there that prevents the disaffected from running their own businesses if they believe their conditions are so poor?

Well first of all you seem to be attributing me with a stance on 'the cause' that I haven't taken. I was simply responding to the "why don't you start your own multi national corporation" question. And, yes, I'm exaggerating by saying that but sometimes exaggerating gets a point across.

But in answer to what might be obstacles to starting up one's own business:

Recession. Capital. Investment. Premises. Legal requirements. Local bylaws. Knowhow. Business acumen. Business plan. Inexperience. Starting up when what work is around is already in the hands of a few. Family responsibilities

And risk, too, that you mentioned.

Certainly these may be overcome. But then it's back on that other recurring issue of whether because one has done it, everyone can.

If it was that easy, or do-able, everyone would do it.

Alan2005 Aug 9th 2011 7:58 am

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FFS - it seems I have to think of an entire manifesto on the spot:eek:


Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 9548151)
No you wouldn't, because that would be illegal under EU law.

What makes you think that EU law would apply in a UK where I'm in charge?

I know what you're going to say (something along the lines that you can't back out of EU treaties), but it doesn't matter. I'm not ever going to be in charge either.


Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 9548151)
So you'd rather than those people working in China were thrown out on the street because they no longer have jobs?

No I'd rather producers in china see the economic sense in treating their employees and the environment better.


Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9548174)
As has been pointed out, you could only do so against non-EU countries but, even if you could, how would you administer the above? The cost of administering it would be borne by?

The costs would be borne by adding a small percentage to the tariff of those that pollute and employ slaves if the tariff itself wasn't enough to fund it. Thus giving a further incentive for them to not do this. You could also easily raise the cash to enforce it by, ooo, lets say, legalizing and taxing drugs.


Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9548174)
Basically, people could achieve what you wish to achieve now, they just have to purchase within the EU so, once again, you need to criticize your neighbours because I know you will state that you do not purchase from such oppressive regimes:p

See above, it is consumers what drive it;)

Yes the people could.

However, the governments role should be to ensure that things are fair for everyone - everyone has equal opportunity etc. It cannot control what other governments do however - which is why they should tax the things that represent unfair imbalances in the market.

el_richo Aug 9th 2011 8:14 am

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by magnumpi (Post 9548197)
Looks like its all starting up again tonight. This is a country wide problem not just london. A glance at twitter tells all. Salford leeds liverpool Brum, its spreading like a fast spreading thingy.

Because Arseholes are seeing other arsholes getting away with being arseholes and getting free stuff for their efforts. Opportunistic arseholes with limited morality.

My dad always taught me that if i was being bullied to punch them in the face as hard as i can. After a while they'll realise it hurts to be an arsehole in certain situations. I wonder if that would work for the Met police :confused:

Jingsamichty Aug 9th 2011 8:19 am

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Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 9548515)
My dad always taught me that if i was being bullied to punch them in the face as hard as i can. After a while they'll realise it hurts to be an arsehole in certain situations. I wonder if that would work for the Met police :confused:

They arrest you when you try that.

el_richo Aug 9th 2011 8:36 am

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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 9548533)
They arrest you when you try that.

Spoilsports :thumbdown:

Oink Aug 9th 2011 8:42 am

Re: London Riots
 

Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 9548515)

My dad always taught me that if i was being bullied to punch them in the face as hard as i can. After a while they'll realise it hurts to be an arsehole in certain situations. I wonder if that would work for the Met police :confused:

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