A 'Life' Question from England..
Oct 11th 2014, 3:04 am
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Mum, wah wah wah, Mary said that not all sheep are black! Wah wah, Let her prove that!
Oct 11th 2014, 3:16 am
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Do you respect their right to hold bad ideas and beliefs? I think you're confusing Voltaire's idea on free speech with irrational thought. Do you respect a parent's belief that an honour killing is just, I don't.
Focussing in on apostasy is possibly a red herring. It's a hard phenomena to measure and outside IS type movements probably not that prevalent. Even death threats for insulting the prophet are a relatively rare phenomena. The larger issue, in my opinion, is the maltreatment of women and the use of Sharia law, which in many cases is incompatible with our equality-based law.
Inside Britain's Sharia courts - Telegraph
Focussing in on apostasy is possibly a red herring. It's a hard phenomena to measure and outside IS type movements probably not that prevalent. Even death threats for insulting the prophet are a relatively rare phenomena. The larger issue, in my opinion, is the maltreatment of women and the use of Sharia law, which in many cases is incompatible with our equality-based law.
Inside Britain's Sharia courts - Telegraph
DW probably doesnt think Muslims are against blasphemy either, and that the riots about the danish cartoon were all out of context.
Oct 11th 2014, 3:49 am
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You are an insolent, arrogant sod aren't you? Now I really pity you.
You mean you f***ed up and told a convenient, decontextualized porkie, and when you were caught out on it, you started wailing and weeping, using all manner of techniques to deflect from your f*** up? Way to go, man.
You mean you f***ed up and told a convenient, decontextualized porkie, and when you were caught out on it, you started wailing and weeping, using all manner of techniques to deflect from your f*** up? Way to go, man.
All you need to do to end the discussion is demonstrate what % of Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy. If you can provide just one study/opinion poll/whatever, I'll accept I'm wrong and agree with you. Deal?
Oct 11th 2014, 3:55 am
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What's going on here then?
Oct 11th 2014, 3:56 am
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Classic case of logical obfuscation. Also, completely dumb given the first study was a part of that. But then you have shown that smoke and mirrors is just your way.
You were proven wrong and no-one needs to help you correct your f*** up. At first, I thought you were just careless, now you have proven yourself to be dishonest at best, and obfuscating at minimum.
Again, there are problems in the Muslim community but it's not helped by douche bags who want to lie and contort statistics.
The more subtle layers of the discussion seem to have escaped you in any case. You seem to only be able to absorb tabloid, mass media headlines one at a time. Don't worry, you are in good company, and have proven to be a good scientific experiment at how people choose to skew results and presentations and numbers for their own agendas. Google wars are cheap, let's not even go there.
That you have an ongoing axe to grind now in your determination to paint Muslims in your Islamphobic mania, is your own juvenile, war-mongering and self protective choice.
I know you want to look good, especially to yourself, but you might find growing some integrity, honesty, and a deeper look at your neighbours, is more conducive to that than your dishonest, and juvenile ways.
You were proven wrong and no-one needs to help you correct your f*** up. At first, I thought you were just careless, now you have proven yourself to be dishonest at best, and obfuscating at minimum.
Again, there are problems in the Muslim community but it's not helped by douche bags who want to lie and contort statistics.
The more subtle layers of the discussion seem to have escaped you in any case. You seem to only be able to absorb tabloid, mass media headlines one at a time. Don't worry, you are in good company, and have proven to be a good scientific experiment at how people choose to skew results and presentations and numbers for their own agendas. Google wars are cheap, let's not even go there.
That you have an ongoing axe to grind now in your determination to paint Muslims in your Islamphobic mania, is your own juvenile, war-mongering and self protective choice.
I know you want to look good, especially to yourself, but you might find growing some integrity, honesty, and a deeper look at your neighbours, is more conducive to that than your dishonest, and juvenile ways.
Oct 11th 2014, 3:58 am
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I can speak for myself, low ball.
MisCharacterising an opponent, trying to tarnish their reputation, is another case of obfuscation and misrepresentation, without resorting to genuine inquiry or fact.
Is smoke and mirrors all you specialise in? Lies and deception your dessert?
Was the line of inquiry this, or simply the fact that you misrepresented your initial line?
You f***ed up, and all you can do is act like a six year old kid who can't take that fact. Except that even 6 year olds can have more decency.
You are a classic example of why wars arise, and ignorance and mischaracterisations are spread through the populace.
You are also a classic liar, and where a bedrock of basic decency is amiss, you are no better than any of those you have criticised. You'd probably even join a riot if you were not so worried about hurting your hands.
Shame, shame, shame but at least we now know what you are.
MisCharacterising an opponent, trying to tarnish their reputation, is another case of obfuscation and misrepresentation, without resorting to genuine inquiry or fact.
Is smoke and mirrors all you specialise in? Lies and deception your dessert?
Was the line of inquiry this, or simply the fact that you misrepresented your initial line?
You f***ed up, and all you can do is act like a six year old kid who can't take that fact. Except that even 6 year olds can have more decency.
You are a classic example of why wars arise, and ignorance and mischaracterisations are spread through the populace.
You are also a classic liar, and where a bedrock of basic decency is amiss, you are no better than any of those you have criticised. You'd probably even join a riot if you were not so worried about hurting your hands.
Shame, shame, shame but at least we now know what you are.
Oct 11th 2014, 4:15 am
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This caused quite a chuckle. Whatever your thoughts, I certainly have no axe to grind about Muslims, or any. I'm not painting all Muslims the same- I have Muslim friends, I'm learning to arabic (for fun, mostly), and I'm not a war mongerer. Not sure what you gave you this idea, or why you feel I have a particular dislike for Muslims. The comment about apostasy is no different than saying "most Catholics are against abortion". It's not a personal insult- it's just something the faith teaches. Most Muslims are in favour of Sharia Law. It's not an insult to say it, and it doesnt mean muslims are bad people.
Originally Posted by Jericho79
And if you were in Saudi Arabia, you could be killed for doing so. And most Muslims (over 60% last time I checked) would agree with your death sentence.
When called out on it, you have been squirming and squishing past the acknowledgement that you misrepresented this representing of your 'friends'. Haw haw
Yes, you are just irresponsible and misrepresentative to say the least. Deceptive seems to be more like it.
Here is the ACTUAL study, which I have consistently pointed out is 0.35% of Muslims worldwide and is significantly more complex and varied than you claimed..
Oct 11th 2014, 4:22 am
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Originally Posted by Jericho79
And if you were in Saudi Arabia, you could be killed for doing so. And most Muslims (over 60% last time I checked) would agree with your death sentence.
Here is the ACTUAL study, which I have consistently pointed out is 0.35% of Muslims worldwide and is significantly more complex and varied than you claimed..
And if you were in Saudi Arabia, you could be killed for doing so. And most Muslims (over 60% last time I checked) would agree with your death sentence.
Here is the ACTUAL study, which I have consistently pointed out is 0.35% of Muslims worldwide and is significantly more complex and varied than you claimed..
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Attitudes toward Islamic law vary significantly by region. Support for making sharia the law of the land is highest in South Asia (median of 84%). Medians of at least six-in-ten Muslims in sub-Saharan Africa (64%), the Middle East-North Africa region (74%) and Southeast Asia (77%) also favor enshrining sharia as official law. But in two regions, far fewer Muslims say Islamic law should be endorsed by their governments: Southern and Eastern Europe (18%) and Central Asia (12%).
Moreover, Muslims are not equally comfortable with all aspects of sharia: While most favor using religious law in family and property disputes, fewer support the application of severe punishments – such as whippings or cutting off hands – in criminal cases. The survey also shows that Muslims differ widely in how they interpret certain aspects of sharia, including whether divorce and family planning are morally acceptable.
Most Muslims around the world express support for democracy, and most say it is a good thing when others are very free to practice their religion. At the same time, many Muslims want religious leaders to have at least some influence in political matters.
And when asked specifically about relations between Muslims and Christians, majorities in most countries see little hostility between members of the two faiths. (Christianity and Islam)
- Pew
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Oct 11th 2014, 4:29 am
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More from Pew -
Muslims around the world strongly reject violence in the name of Islam. Asked specifically about suicide bombing, clear majorities in most countries say such acts are rarely or never justified as a means of defending Islam from its enemies.
In most countries where the question was asked, roughly three-quarters or more Muslims reject suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilians. And in most countries, the prevailing view is that such acts are never justified as a means of defending Islam from its enemies. Yet there are some countries in which substantial minorities think violence against civilians is at least sometimes justified. This view is particularly widespread among Muslims in the Palestinian territories (40%), Afghanistan (39%), Egypt (29%) and Bangladesh (26%).
Muslims around the world strongly reject violence in the name of Islam. Asked specifically about suicide bombing, clear majorities in most countries say such acts are rarely or never justified as a means of defending Islam from its enemies.
In most countries where the question was asked, roughly three-quarters or more Muslims reject suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilians. And in most countries, the prevailing view is that such acts are never justified as a means of defending Islam from its enemies. Yet there are some countries in which substantial minorities think violence against civilians is at least sometimes justified. This view is particularly widespread among Muslims in the Palestinian territories (40%), Afghanistan (39%), Egypt (29%) and Bangladesh (26%).
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Oct 11th 2014, 4:31 am
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Oct 11th 2014, 4:32 am
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Fair enough 
Oct 11th 2014, 4:36 am
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Pew -
The survey also asked Muslims whether people of other faiths in their country are very free, somewhat free, not too free or not at all free to practice their religion; a follow-up question asked Muslims whether they consider this “a good thing” or “a bad thing.” In 31 of the 38 countries where the question was asked, majorities of Muslims say people of other faiths can practice their religion very freely. (The question was not asked in Afghanistan.) And of those who share this assessment, overwhelming majorities consider it a good thing. This includes median percentages of more than nine-in-ten in South Asia (97%), Southern and Eastern Europe (95%), sub-Saharan Africa (94%), Southeast Asia (93%) and Central Asia (92%). In the Middle East-North Africa region, nearly as many (85%) share this view.
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The survey also asked Muslims whether people of other faiths in their country are very free, somewhat free, not too free or not at all free to practice their religion; a follow-up question asked Muslims whether they consider this “a good thing” or “a bad thing.” In 31 of the 38 countries where the question was asked, majorities of Muslims say people of other faiths can practice their religion very freely. (The question was not asked in Afghanistan.) And of those who share this assessment, overwhelming majorities consider it a good thing. This includes median percentages of more than nine-in-ten in South Asia (97%), Southern and Eastern Europe (95%), sub-Saharan Africa (94%), Southeast Asia (93%) and Central Asia (92%). In the Middle East-North Africa region, nearly as many (85%) share this view.
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Oct 11th 2014, 4:42 am
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Pew -
The survey also asked Muslims whether people of other faiths in their country are very free, somewhat free, not too free or not at all free to practice their religion; a follow-up question asked Muslims whether they consider this “a good thing” or “a bad thing.” In 31 of the 38 countries where the question was asked, majorities of Muslims say people of other faiths can practice their religion very freely. (The question was not asked in Afghanistan.) And of those who share this assessment, overwhelming majorities consider it a good thing. This includes median percentages of more than nine-in-ten in South Asia (97%), Southern and Eastern Europe (95%), sub-Saharan Africa (94%), Southeast Asia (93%) and Central Asia (92%). In the Middle East-North Africa region, nearly as many (85%) share this view.
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The survey also asked Muslims whether people of other faiths in their country are very free, somewhat free, not too free or not at all free to practice their religion; a follow-up question asked Muslims whether they consider this “a good thing” or “a bad thing.” In 31 of the 38 countries where the question was asked, majorities of Muslims say people of other faiths can practice their religion very freely. (The question was not asked in Afghanistan.) And of those who share this assessment, overwhelming majorities consider it a good thing. This includes median percentages of more than nine-in-ten in South Asia (97%), Southern and Eastern Europe (95%), sub-Saharan Africa (94%), Southeast Asia (93%) and Central Asia (92%). In the Middle East-North Africa region, nearly as many (85%) share this view.
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