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Some shenanigans in Boston with fans climbing TD Garden etc...but errr... :lol:

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This is hardcore. Police cars on fire, and all sorts. I didn't know the locals had it in them.

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Yes, there are some stupid, stupid people out there........The goons jumping on top of the police cars.......Durrr......Direct view of the CBC offices who are filming you.....Expect a visit from the police buddies!!!! :thumbdown:

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Meh, there are lots of anti establishment anarchist types in Vancouver. Much of this is organized by groups of people dressed in black and many non hockey fans who may have bought a jersey. The real Canuck fans are crushed. I feel for the police, they have to respond and work in this crap. I hope they break some skulls tonight. Of course if they try and step in you know there will be whiners who will blame them.

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Yep... that about describes the Bruins and their particular brand of goon hockey. What they got away with in Boston has prompted many people I know to contact the league.

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Ditto. The troublemakers here are not hockey fans. They are the usual black clad anarchists with black bandanas who are using this crowd as an excuse to loot and burn. Not to worry... they are all being filmed on TV cameras, security cameras and cell phones and will no doubt find themselves before a judge soon.

Unlike you though, I do not hope to see anyones skull broken. At least the police are using some restraint unlike the police violence at the G8 conference in Toronto. It is however disgusting to see the live TV shots of all the looting that is going on. What is the matter with people????

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As a Man Utd fan for over 35 years I resent your comment. In all my years as a supporter on the terraces, both home and away, I've never witnessed a riot like that in Vancouver tonight.

And furthermore, whilst I agree that the British footy fan has had a bad reputation they are by no means the worst offenders for footy violence. Such riots are almost commonplace between certain clubs in countries such as South America, Turkey, Italy, Russia and France.

Also, much of the violence is generally created by 'organised thugs' hell bent on causing trouble rather than genuine fans, whatever the sport may be, and I'm pretty sure the same can be said of the violence in Vancouver tonight.

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oi - we have told you once ;) http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=721149

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I'll bet he was always last to be picked for a game ;)

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You're almost correct, I never got picked......I was the team captain and did the picking!!
The same with the rugby and cricket teams. I was known as 'sport Billy' at school!

:p

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Sorry 4Bells, I took offence to the comment about Man Utd fans and just had to respond!

Anyway, am gonna shuffle on off to bed now, g'night all... :zzz:

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Been here only a week and a half! We have been to Vancouver many times and have just got a place in Burnaby. But in the meantime been staying in False Creek, so can see the smoke plumes across the beautiful city scape.

I come from Liverpool so used to football violence and idiot football rioting fans, so really sad to see this in such a beautiful, friendly city.

Not put me off Vancouver at all...I love it here. And don't be put if you are moving here.

But rioting in any city is stupid, so let's hope all the photos that have been taken on cell phones get those idiots!

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No worries - nighty night

am now off to bed as dear daughter has returned from Dt - phew....

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2 riots in 20 years aint bad. Just a Saturday night in Toxteth!

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yup _ I did comment earlier to a colleague her, along the lines of: oh come at least try and do proper like, give it a Brixton or a Toxteth feel ..I got blank looks! When I started mentioning severed heads they went pale . ..

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I think I just got a semi.

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You really believe this? This isn't the same people that riot at world trade conventions or the G7 - you might not call them 'true hockey fans', but that's the same as saying somebody isn't a 'true scotsman'

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Manchester United fans are from Southern England, Asia and a few in North America. There is no point rioting as there is nothing near Old Trafford that would cause any disturbance. Besides they all have to get back on their tourist buses to get out of the city so no time to riot or they miss the bus.

Besides they know they have the most money so they'll just win the league again next year because they are so good. It's such a great club I would love to associate myself with it.

Back on with the Hockey and I think Souvy's prediction whilst being kind of predictable was accurate.

What did happen to Vancouver? Two highly focused first games and then they just seem to lose their ability to create goals.

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This is the first game I watched. Based on this site, I was expecting the home team to be elegant and full of skill and the visitors to be unskilled and bruisers. Most of the shitty hits came from the home team, the visitors, on this one game, were the more skilled by a long way. It would appear that the best team won.

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The first goal came later than would have made my prediction bang-on. I gave up after the short-handed and went to bed. When I woke up this morning, I was expecting to read of a bigger loss.

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It's ice hockey....like I said, people don't watch it for the skating and lets face it, the games shit without the hits and heavy play.

It happens everywhere, all the time. Maybe the west coast is just a bit nambypamby and soft.

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Should I take the path of Leggy 969 and jump on the 'I am offended' at a meer comment?? (Being Scottish that is LOL!)

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I understand you being offended if you are a fine example of a well behaved Man Utd Footie fan but I didnt say it for you to take it personally......Just saying that there are a lot of crazy Man Utd fans out there.......Most of which not from Manchester and probably just as crazy as some of these idiots!!! I know a hard assed Middlesborough fan.......Now there is crazy, the stuff he does to support his team is insane.....Not far off some of the guys on TV last night. And having lived in Peterborough, I could make the same comment about Millwall fans too..........The list is probably endless....Never mind getting me started about Celtic and Rangers to name a few. And yes I do agree a group of organised crazies started all of this and the drunken fans got caught up in the action :(

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This riot was nothing to do with hockey or hockey fans (we don't say 'ice' hockey and definitely not 'iced' hockey ;)). If you read the FB entries, you will see that it was pre-meditated and planned by a small group of criminals who were using the large crowd as an excuse to start a riot and are stupid enough to boast about it on FB. One of them just got out of jail for murder, and guess what, he's going back. Another got out of jail on Wednesday just before the game, and he was before provincial court today with several charges.
Unfortunately the world media is reporting it as a hockey fan riot.... not true.

Vancouver hockey fans showed up downtown in the hundreds (literally) this morning to clean up the mess because they were so digusted, embarrassed and ashamed of what had taken place in their city. There were so many that people were turned away. The boards that went up on the broken windows have been signed by thousands of people who are disgusted with the rioters and came to show their love for Vancouver.

Today, a police car was covered (again literally) with sticky notes of 'love' :wub: messages to thank the police, express their shame at what the thugs had done and their support for the police. The cop was choking back tears. He had never been thanked like this before.

Another guy started a facebook page where people could post their pictures of the perpetrators. So many people did this that it crashed the site today.

These are the real Vancouver hockey fans. Hopefully some of this positive stuff will make the world media too, though probably not because it's not nearly as sensational a story as calling it a riot of hockey fans.

I lived in Vancouver for 25 years, in this area of BC for over 35 years and I can tell you that Vancouver people are great and Vancouver is a great city where this kind of garbage action is definitely not the norm.

Just wanted to set the record straight. :rolleyes:

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If there had been no ice hockey game would there have been a riot? Of course not. It was an ice hockey riot, something traditional for the sport.

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Of course all these rioters quickly went and spent $150 on Hockey Jersey's before.

100 people already arrested and plenty more arrests on the way.

How long can these self righteous Canadien's continue to try and blame outsiders?

Thousands of Hockey fans and Vancouverites involved. You can see on all the pictures and footage.

It's eerily similar to Gadaffi blaming Al Qaida for his own uprising.

In defence of Vancouver it was impressive to see 18,000 Vancouverites sign up to helping clean up the mess. That sort of response would not happen in London or Manchester where it would be left clearly at the foot of the council.

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But many of the fans joined in and fanned the flames (pun intended). There's no excuse for that.

Many of the fans stood and gawked at the train wreck occurring. Had all the "fans" left, the police's job would have been much simpler and presumably more effective.

It is great people came to clean up and provided support in naming some of the aresholes. The police cruiser covered in love post-its downtown is a great bit of PR too.

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Total bull. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2063729/

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Some rioters may have came prepared but I'm not sure why this means they aren't canucks/ice hockey fans? Is there evidence that people that like ice hockey are less likely to be criminals than those that don't?

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^^^
This

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Is there evidence that people that like footie are less likely to be football hooligans than those that don't? (sic)

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Sorry to digress the conversation but my boss just gave me a brand new San Jose Sharks jersey. Does that mean he loves me or hates me?

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I think it means, "you bring the lube" in hanky code. :lol:

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It means you are worthless and likely getting fired.

The hockey rioters should have done better. They let too many opportunities slip away during the Olympics and the several other games with large crowds downtown since the playoffs started. These hockey rioters should be replaced with better rioters who are more dedicated next year. It was almost like they waited for the perfect time to do their thing. Too late!

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There are experts in this world who study crowd behaviour who would completely disagree with you. What happened after the game the other night was classic social identitiy theory and therefore certainly contributed to by hockey fans, perhaps even normal peace-loving Vancouverites (yes, even). You won't believe me because you are embarrassed about what happened, and of course because of the stories emerging the following day (post-it notes on cars etc). Trust me, this is not a Vancouver issue. Leaders and instigators are necessary, of course, and yes much of this might well have been pre-meditated but once the blue paper is lit ...

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Well said. Vancouver does seem to be in denial over a lot of what happened. Riots are premeditated and planned, and there were plenty sporting Canucks shirts, burning cars and looting.

The police have been praised for keeping order. Yet they did not anticipate a repeat of the 94 riots and by the looks did not plan for this eventuality. There was mayhem for about 4 hours before rioters got bored and most went home, before the police could regain control. I filmed a lot of this myself and the city looked like Baghdad during the air strikes.

One of my facebook contacts said how parents have to take the blame for all of this. Stupid comment really. However, parents have no control over their kids, especially in Vancouver. There is no sense of responsibility or discipline. Never consequences for bad behaviour. Isolating a child in school due to bad behaviour is frowned upon. And what we saw on Wednesday is the consequence of growing up with lack of responsibility and zero consequences.

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errr -why especially in Vancouver- what makes us so bad??

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It's where I live and what I've noticed. Not sure of other parts of Canada, although lack of consequences, discipline and responsibility does seem to be a global trend. IMO it's particularly noticeable here (in Vancouver), and the results are clear to see.

While Vancouverites may dream that these thugs are organized gangs who put on Canucks shirts to blend in, they are probably just everyday fans. What's horrific is how crowd behaviour can influence this kind of BS, coupled with no sense of responsibility. However the consequences are very real and they won't miss out on this occasion.

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Great article :thumbup:

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Well I think that is a crass generalisation and a load of old clap trap- having come from south London with kids at a nice local church school and a decent grammar school and moved to to East Van (not the posh North, west or Kits) I have been suprised that most of the kids are a lot more polite , well behaved and able to hold a decent conversation with an adult than a lot of their old classmates in the UK .

They are disciplined, have ground rules and get punished for breaking them. I'd like to know where you feel it is particularly noticeable in Vancouver? undisiplined