British Expats

British Expats (https://britishexpats.com/forum/)
-   The Maple Leaf (https://britishexpats.com/forum/maple-leaf-98/)
-   -   How do you formally address... (https://britishexpats.com/forum/maple-leaf-98/how-do-you-formally-address-745996/)

Novocastrian Jan 23rd 2012 9:24 am

How do you formally address...
 
...a female Parliamentary Secretary?

I have to deal with one tomorrow and I don't know. Ministers are obvious. Madame Secretary sounds a bit American. Any advice?

Of course, she's a Harperist, so just spitting is one possibility.

Oink Jan 23rd 2012 9:31 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9860725)
...a female Parliamentary Secretary?

I have to deal with one tomorrow and I don't know. Ministers are obvious. Madame Secretary sounds a bit American. Any advice?

Of course, she's a Harperist, so just spitting is one possibility.

Salutation: Dear Ms 'lastname'

On the envelope "The Hon 'first and last name' MP
Parliamentary Secretary for . . . ."


In person, oi **** face or more traditionally just Ms 'lastname'

Novocastrian Jan 23rd 2012 9:32 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9860743)
Salutation: Dear Ms . . .

On the envelope "The Hon . . . . , MP
Parliamentary Secretary for . . . ."

It's face to face though. But I'm still not wearing a tie. **** that.

Oink Jan 23rd 2012 9:35 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9860745)
It's face to face though. But I'm still not wearing a tie. **** that.

As I said above, just; Ms 'whatever her last name is'.

Editha Jan 23rd 2012 9:37 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9860725)
...a female Parliamentary Secretary?

I have to deal with one tomorrow and I don't know. Ministers are obvious. Madame Secretary sounds a bit American. Any advice?

Of course, she's a Harperist, so just spitting is one possibility.

Ms Surname or Mrs or Miss, depending on her preference. I've had no dealings with Canadian politicians, but in the UK parliamentary secretaries are the lowest of the low - third tier of minister. I gather they are a bit higher here, but it makes no difference. There's no reason to address a politician at that level by a special title.

Novocastrian Jan 23rd 2012 9:45 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Editha (Post 9860757)
Ms Surname or Mrs or Miss, depending on her preference. I've had no dealings with Canadian politicians, but in the UK parliamentary secretaries are the lowest of the low - third tier of minister. I gather they are a bit higher here, but it makes no difference. There's no reason to address a politician at that level by a special title.

It's second tier here. I've dealt with Ministers and usually they like being addressed as Minister. In Canada Deputy Ministers are civil servants so bugger them, Parliamentary Secretaries are probably prima donnas even if they're not women. ;)

JamesM Jan 23rd 2012 9:49 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9860777)
It's second tier here. I've dealt with Ministers and usually they like being addressed as Minister. In Canada Deputy Ministers are civil servants so bugger them, Parliamentary Secretaries are probably prima donnas even if they're not women. ;)

Madame.

Bali2010 Jan 23rd 2012 9:49 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9860725)
...a female Parliamentary Secretary?

I have to deal with one tomorrow and I don't know. Ministers are obvious. Madame Secretary sounds a bit American. Any advice?

Of course, she's a Harperist, so just spitting is one possibility.

will Sir Humphry not go across very well?

or if you followed his (+ more recently Cameron's) style, then perhaps 'Dear lady' would ensure the meeting ended quickly ;)

el_richo Jan 23rd 2012 9:52 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 
"Now Then"

Novocastrian Jan 23rd 2012 9:54 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Bali2010 (Post 9860785)
will Sir Humphry not go across very well?

or if you followed his (+ more recently Cameron's) style, then perhaps 'Dear lady' would ensure the meeting ended quickly ;)

Excellent plan.

I'm thinking of "Hi {firstname}, how's it going?"

What do you think?

Oink Jan 23rd 2012 9:56 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 
"Darling fascist bully boy..?"



I'll get Neil's coat that I've obviously stolen.

Chookie Jan 23rd 2012 9:58 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 
It probably should be Madame if face to face, but I would probably just hedge my bets, shake her hand and say "I am very pleased to meet you" and not use any titles or honorifics at all just to avoid egg on my face

Of course the other option is to use the midlands vernacular and say "Eh up me'duck"

Oink Jan 23rd 2012 10:03 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 
Wot cheor canny lass.

Jingsamichty Jan 23rd 2012 10:09 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 
"Milk, no sugar, thanks love."

Novocastrian Jan 23rd 2012 10:20 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 9860814)
"Milk, no sugar, thanks love."

Perfect.

I think I'll just go with Madame (no french accent).

Avec du lait, pas du sucre s'il vous plait is a close second.

Former Lancastrian Jan 23rd 2012 10:21 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 
Arent you moving to France so why give a **** what you call her unless you think she can deport you and you would like to return some time in the future.

Chookie Jan 23rd 2012 10:22 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 
What about some Yorkshire

"Ah'm reet pleesed ta meet tha Pet."

Auld Yin Jan 23rd 2012 10:22 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 
Do you mean YOU don't know?

<sighs while shaking head>

Geordie Lass Jan 23rd 2012 10:26 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 
"y'alreeeet pet?'

Novocastrian Jan 23rd 2012 10:42 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Auld Yin (Post 9860834)
Do you mean YOU don't know?

<sighs while shaking head>

I'm missing your point. The only other time I've dealt with a Parliamentary Secretary I just called him {firstname}. But he was a Liberal and not a female.

We got on really well.

Novocastrian Jan 23rd 2012 10:43 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Geordie Lass (Post 9860843)
"y'alreeeet pet?'

Grand plan. I'll add "d'yer fancy a shag?".

Should break the ice nicely.

Geordie Lass Jan 23rd 2012 10:51 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9860886)
Grand plan. I'll add "d'yer fancy a shag?".

Should break the ice nicely.

I think that should do it. She'll be eating out of your hand in no time.

Novocastrian Jan 23rd 2012 11:00 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 9860832)
Arent you moving to France so why give a **** what you call her unless you think she can deport you and you would like to return some time in the future.

Largely because I hope to tap her for some significant research funding. And I'm a very polite person.

Of course I'm a citizen so the rest of your post is irrelevant.

Alan2005 Jan 23rd 2012 11:00 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9860886)
Grand plan. I'll add "d'yer fancy a shag?".

Should break the ice nicely.

Wouldn't "tits oot" and "wahey" be more traditional?

Former Lancastrian Jan 23rd 2012 11:08 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9860931)
Largely because I hope to tap her for some significant research funding. And I'm a very polite person.

Of course I'm a citizen so the rest of your post is irrelevant.

But of course you are;) Maybe Tony Clement might have some input if you receive funding or not as it is taxpayers money you are hoping to tap into.
You might also have done a Conrad Black for all I know i.e renouncing citizenship for all I know so that would be very relevant to my post :p

Oink Jan 23rd 2012 11:09 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9860931)
Largely because I hope to tap her for some significant research funding. And I'm a very polite person.

Of course I'm a citizen so the rest of your post is irrelevant.

Shouldn't it be "buggerallmoney, buggerallmoney"?

mandymoochops Jan 23rd 2012 11:22 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 
I'm sure with your charming wit and reparte she'll just hand you over a credit card and tell you to have at 'er.

I'd tend to agree with the others who know what they are talking about "Ms Whateveritis" just sounds polite :)

Alan2005 Jan 23rd 2012 11:23 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 9860980)
I'm sure with your charming wit and reparte she'll just hand you over a credit card and tell you to have at 'er.

I'd tend to agree with the others who know what they are talking about "Ms Whateveritis" just sounds polite :)

"Ms" also has the advantage of winding up certain kinds of right wing woman who see it as political correctness gone mad.

Lemonfish Jan 23rd 2012 11:25 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9860931)
Largely because I hope to tap her for some significant research funding. And I'm a very polite person.

Of course I'm a citizen so the rest of your post is irrelevant.

Is she francophone or anglophone?

Lemonfish Jan 23rd 2012 11:26 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 
And are you part of the whole 'innovation' type thing?

Novocastrian Jan 23rd 2012 11:27 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 9860948)
But of course you are;) Maybe Tony Clement might have some input if you receive funding or not as it is taxpayers money you are hoping to tap into.
You might also have done a Conrad Black for all I know i.e renouncing citizenship for all I know so that would be very relevant to my post :p

Christ, if you've nothing coherent to say, then don't say anything.

Novocastrian Jan 23rd 2012 11:29 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Lemonfish (Post 9860991)
Is she francophone or anglophone?


Anglophone.


Originally Posted by Lemonfish (Post 9860992)
And are you part of the whole 'innovation' type thing?

I rather hope so. Although I've no idea what you're talking about.

mandymoochops Jan 23rd 2012 11:31 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9860986)
"Ms" also has the advantage of winding up certain kinds of right wing woman who see it as political correctness gone mad.

Really :confused: In a 'non knowing what to address anyone correctly as kind of way' I just see it as a safe bet because a) you don't want to be too formal by using the first name and b) you don't want to presume that she is either single / married / divorced / widowed.

Thats just common sense

Novocastrian Jan 23rd 2012 11:31 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9860986)
"Ms" also has the advantage of winding up certain kinds of right wing woman who see it as political correctness gone mad.

Good point. "Ms" it is then.

dollface Jan 23rd 2012 11:32 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 9861008)
Really :confused: In a 'non knowing what to address anyone correctly as kind of way' I just see it as a safe bet because a) you don't want to be too formal by using the first name and b) you don't want to presume that she is either single / married / divorced / widowed.

Thats just common sense

:thumbup: i'm with you on this.

Former Lancastrian Jan 23rd 2012 11:32 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9860995)
Christ, if you've nothing coherent to say, then don't say anything.

Rather sensitive today arent we. A case of nerves perhaps or still getting over the 5-2 drubbing on the weekend.
BTW my name is not Christ as I dont walk on water or change water into wine.

Lemonfish Jan 23rd 2012 11:33 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 
If you say that you are helping bring about 'innovation' you're bound to get some research dollars...seems to be where research funding is moving these days...

dollface Jan 23rd 2012 11:34 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 9861012)
Rather sensitive today arent we. A case of nerves perhaps or still getting over the 5-2 drubbing on the weekend.
BTW my name is not Christ as I dont walk on water or change water into wine.

What a pity.............

mandymoochops Jan 23rd 2012 11:34 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 9861012)
Rather sensitive today arent we. A case of nerves perhaps or still getting over the 5-2 drubbing on the weekend.
BTW my name is not Christ as I dont walk on water or change water into wine.

Strikes FL from the friends list

Novocastrian Jan 23rd 2012 11:35 am

Re: How do you formally address...
 

Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 9861008)
Thats just common sense

Except when she has her own government website. I think she'll have expected me to look. She's married.

So "Ms" it is.


All times are GMT -12. The time now is 6:16 am.

Powered by vBulletin: ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.