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Old Jun 6th 2014 | 7:52 am
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
I agree 100% with wot I just said in the other thread.
It would save all this crap, every time.
 
Old Jun 6th 2014 | 7:52 am
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
I agree 100% with wot I just said in the other thread.
I'll agree with that. I wonder how many people that drive vehicles will accept that the number of school children killed by vehicles is a price worth paying for being able to drive.
 
Old Jun 6th 2014 | 7:53 am
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Originally Posted by JamesM
The results won't surprise me because guns aren't easily available in the UK. I would expect knives to be more of a problem. Thankfully.
Knives are a big problem with the UK youth. Sadly.
 
Old Jun 6th 2014 | 7:55 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
I'll agree with that. I wonder how many people that drive vehicles will accept that the number of school children killed by vehicles is a price worth paying for being able to drive.
It's not quite the same is it. There is enormous social and economic utility in driving. Guns are just a hobby. At best, just a hobby.
 
Old Jun 6th 2014 | 7:59 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
I'll agree with that. I wonder how many people that drive vehicles will accept that the number of school children killed by vehicles is a price worth paying for being able to drive.
I think most people would when pressed to actually think about it for more than 5s. Although I would think that most people would also support attempts to reduce the number of road deaths. Unless it's speed cameras, they can piss off.
 
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That's a relief. Shows you how much more advanced the UK is.

I suspect old age kills more police officers so I think it is you who are wrong.

Resorting to naff arguments because gun ownership is tragic and pointless.
 
Old Jun 6th 2014 | 8:00 am
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Originally Posted by Shard
It's not quite the same is it. There is enormous social and economic utility in driving. Guns are just a hobby. At best, just a hobby.
I didn't suggest they were the same but the question remains.
 
Old Jun 6th 2014 | 8:01 am
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Originally Posted by JamesM
Yeah.

When was the last time someone killed 3 policemen and injured two with a knife?

The loony arguments are back.

I still can't believe IainK tried to bring cars in again.

The reality is most shootings are carried out by individuals who obtained their fire arms through legal means and were not criminals until that point.

If the law had been more restrictive or firearms weren't so readily available they'd have been reduced dramatically.

This forum's Gun lobbyists are yet to tell us why gun ownership is a good or important thing for society.

The criminal argument is rubbish.

The smoking and car argument beaten down to idiocy half a dozen times now.
Do you actually believe yourself?

Interesting read of gun crime stats on Wikipedia - no idea how accurate though
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

More interesting reading on knife crimes in the UK
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...w-8681511.html

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Old Jun 6th 2014 | 8:02 am
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
I think most people would when pressed to actually think about it for more than 5s. Although I would think that most people would also support attempts to reduce the number of road deaths.
As would most people would support attempts to reduce the number of deaths caused by weapons, both in their communities and during war.
 
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Originally Posted by JamesM
That's a relief. Shows you how much more advanced the UK is.
That more are shot than stabbed? More advanced when compared to where?

Originally Posted by JamesM
I suspect old age kills more police officers so I think it is you who are wrong.
I never proposed numbers. In what way was I wrong?

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Resorting to naff arguments because gun ownership is tragic and pointless.
I appreciate that, by your own admission, you are likely pissed, so I will cease "debating" with you. Accepting that you opinion is as valid as mine.
 
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Originally Posted by Shard
It's not quite the same is it. There is enormous social and economic utility in driving. Guns are just a hobby. At best, just a hobby.
It's still a matter of P&L. Just that in car ownerships case, the benefits are so large when compared to the cost in life that it's meaningless to compare it to gun ownership.
 
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
As would most people would support attempts to reduce the number of deaths caused by weapons, both in their communities and during war.
This is not something I've noticed whenever legislation on gun ownership is discussed

My own personal view is that owning a gun means you're probably a bit of wanker. But, I don't care enough to be bothered about it. It's their country - they can shoot each other as much as they like as long as they don't involve me in their gun-toting nonsense.
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
It's still a matter of P&L. Just that in car ownerships case, the benefits are so large when compared to the cost in life that it's meaningless to compare it to gun ownership.
I would suggest that, comparing the numbers of weapons owned in Canada with the numbers of injuries and deaths that arise from ownership of those weapons pales into insignificance when compared to the numbers of injuries and deaths that arise from ownership of vehicles in Canada.

I estimate that more than 5 people were killed and/or injured as a result of the use of vehicles, in the past hour, alone throughout Canada, notwithstanding its utility.
 
Old Jun 6th 2014 | 8:11 am
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
This is not something I've noticed whenever legislation on gun ownership is discussed

My own personal view is that owning a gun means you're probably a bit of wanker. But, I don't care enough to be bothered about it. It's their country - they can shoot each other as much as they like as long as they don't involve me in their gun-toting nonsense.
I don't care enough to be bothered about the fact you have just called me and my daughter "wankers"
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
My own personal view is that owning a gun means you're probably a bit of wanker.
I imagine that what you just posted on a public forum is more indicative of you than the people you're spouting at.
 


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