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Re: "Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 8781608)
Well, I think Obamas point was that religious tolerance applies as much to Muslims as Christians wasnt it? Squarely aimed at the domestic market, even if its not likely to win him any new admirers (or voters) on the right.
As the west is finding out again in Afghanistan, you cant quickly change hundreds of years of cultural baggage. But just because Saudi Arabia has a long history of (what to me appears to be) appalling behaviour to women (and other non male /heterosexual/ arab groups), doesnt mean we shouldnt endeavour to try and change things, directly or indirectly for the better. But thats really material for politics and diplomacy, rather than the fox news call in. Ultimately people believe in "stuff". If enough of them believe in the same stuff then the temptation is there to try and encourage other people to believe in it too. Sometimes the stuff in question is Christian faith, sometimes its Islam, sometimes its non secular beliefs like womens rights or freedom of religion for all. If you believe in it, then you have to keep trying I guess, win, loose or draw. |
Re: "Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 8781522)
The problem in the past has been the man turning us against one another. We have been unable to see the truth, because we have fighting for ten square feet of ground, our turf, our little piece of turf.
Ajax's comment "Maybe we'll get to waste a few heads along the way" does seem very bible-esque :) |
Re: "Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
Originally Posted by Canuck74
(Post 8781551)
How is it a provocation? It's just a Mosque. Get over it already.
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Re: "Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 8781608)
Ultimately people believe in "stuff". If enough of them believe in the same stuff then the temptation is there to try and encourage other people to believe in it too.
Sometimes the stuff in question is Christian faith, sometimes its Islam, sometimes its non secular beliefs like womens rights or freedom of religion for all. If you believe in it, then you have to keep trying I guess, win, loose or draw. Maybe it's God's punishment for allowing the muslims faith to be used for recent misdemeanour's ;) |
Re: "Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
Originally Posted by el_richo
(Post 8782605)
I wonder what those poor millions of bastards in Pakistan are believing in right now?
Maybe it's God's punishment for allowing the muslims faith to be used for recent misdemeanour's ;) I don't think there should be a Mosque near Ground Zero - it's like rubbuing NY's face in it (not to mention the families of those who were killed.) It should be left as a space, maybe a small park could be placed there, with places for quiet reflection for all people who want to spend a minute or two remembering the terror that was there and the families of those who suffered as a result. |
Re: "Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
It'd be nice if 'bama' would break the ice - bit like Reagan did in the 80's :thumbup:. Everyone could have a real chortle.
"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Islam forever. We begin bombing in five minutes." http://i33.tinypic.com/msknma.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...bingRussia.ogg |
Re: "Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
Originally Posted by el_richo
(Post 8780855)
You're right, and i agree.
However, i think a Christian Church should be built on these sites of mass death to show the tolerance of all religions and nationalities, and as a way of an apology :) |
Re: "Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
Originally Posted by Edo
(Post 8785211)
If you think theres enough Christians living in or around those sites
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Re: "Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
Originally Posted by Edo
(Post 8785211)
Well yeah why not. If you think theres enough Christians living in or around those sites and if you think they want to keep their religion alive and will use the churches on a regular basis then I do support your idea of building churches in those places.
Although the number was much higher but a huge amount fled through fear. I think all religion should be banned, and only spirituality be allowed ;) |
Re: "Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
Originally Posted by el_richo
(Post 8776315)
Is Obama right to allow "freedom" to surpass emotional reactions, considering the fresh history of the site?
Is the risk of backlash, outrage, and potential violence on the structure and users worth it? Does anybody outside of the US really give a shit? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10973459 |
Re: "Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
I would rather my first post would have been about lighter subject matter, but this is something I feel very strongly about. However, it's said far more succinctly and extensively than anything I could hope to express here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pa...surprised.html |
Re: "Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 8781453)
Damned good question. Perhaps they are mouth breathing republicans, rather than Christians. Its certainly not a forgiving "christain" attitude that I would expect from a "Christian". It all seems a bit more old testiment than that.
Thats the conundrum of US politics, the "Christian Right" is at times anything but Christian. They should stop and ask themselves that tired old cliche "What would Jesus do" more often, only they wouldnt like the answer! |
Re: "Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 8785526)
Is it only Democrats that can breathe through their noses then?:p
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Re: "Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
Originally Posted by el_richo
(Post 8785424)
Looking at the ever-correct wikipedia, it's suggested that there are as many Christians in Iraq as there are Muslims in New York.
Although the number was much higher but a huge amount fled through fear. I think all religion should be banned, and only spirituality be allowed ;) |
Re: "Ground Zero" Mosque. Should they or shouldn't they?
Originally Posted by Souvy
(Post 8785573)
Tariq Aziz is a Christian. Nuff said.
Actually, I wonder which religion has the most evil within :confused: |
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