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I watch Fox news. I know everything. It is a mosque, it will be built right at ground zero. Obama will be their Imam because he is a Muslim.
(that was sarcasm)

http://www.park51.org/

This whole anti mosque idea was mainly started by Pamela Geller, and Robert Spencer. Founders of the SIOE, who's motto is "Racism is the lowest form of human stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense"

There is no use talking or debating with people who have that as their motto.

I'm full on for a Islamic cultural centre, with a prayer space in it being built in Manhatten. If anything this whole debate has shown how ignorant and close minded people are about Islam and Muslim faith and people as a whole. There will be a lot of ignorant close minded people who will hate it, but there will be a few who might use the facilities to learn that not every Muslim is a evil person.

Anyway, that is my opinion. Which is completely irrelevant to anyone other than me, but now you all know. Don't you feel better :)
Hope everyone has a great weekend.

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No, we're not! :p

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I agree, if people want to believe in nonsense that’s their pigeon, just keep it to yourself and stay away from children.

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I agree. What we need are another "Crusades" style punch up to see which religion is the hardest and most devout. An open space such as Saskatchewan should even things out.

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I think in the centre of here would be more appropriate.

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If this fight were left to only the actual practitioners of those religions, it would be a total massacre.

Take a look inside your average church... not much fighting spirit there, is there? Elasticated waistbands, support stockings and zimmer frames mainly.

Now look inside a typical mosque... it's full to the minarets with crazed, maniacal, bloodthirsty dervishes, all frothing at the mouth to bring jihad to the filthy pig-dog infidels of the West.

Bring it on!

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Okay! :p

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Can't argue with that but they don't leave children alone, do they? I can't imagine there's a household anywhere including a religionist where the children are left unsullied to choose their poison at adulthood.

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Same could be said for vegetarians:rofl::p

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"Son, you're growing up to be a big boy, so it's time you knew a few things. You know the tooth fairy?"

"Yes, Pop."

"Well, that's your mum and me. And you know Santa Claus?"

"Yes, Pop."

"Well, that's your mum and me too. And you know monsters and fairies and ghosts?"

"Yes, Pop."

"Don't exist. All just made up."

"Oh."

<pause>

"So what about God, and the Devil, and the Holy Ghost, and the Virgin Birth, and Jesus rising from the dead?"

"No, that's all true, son. All true."

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Below is taken from a scene from the classic sci-fi comedy Red Dwarf.

For me this pretty much sums up how I feel about religion.

It's a conversation between Dave Lister (last remaing Human alive) and Kryten (an android [robot] servant). The conversation takes place on the eve of Kryten being shut down for good. Effectively the eve of his death.

Lister: How can you just like, lie back and accept it?

Kryten: Oh, it's not the end for me sir. It's just the beginning. I have served my human masters, now I can look forward to my reward in Silicon Heaven.

Kryten: Surely you've heard of Silicon Heaven?

Kryten: It's the electronic afterlife. It's the gathering place for the souls of all the electrical equipment. Robots, calculators, toasters, hairdryers - it's our final resting place.

Lister: I don't mean to to say anything out of place here Kryen, but that's completely Whacko Jacko. - There is no such thing as Silicon Heaven.

Kryten: then, where do all the calculators go?

Lister: They don't go anywhere! They just die.

Kryten: Surely you believe that God is in all things? Aren't you a pantheist?

Lister: Yeah, but I just don't think it applies to kitchen utensils I'm not a frying-pan-theist! Machines do not have souls. Computers and calculators don't have an afterlife. You don't get hairdryers with tiny little wings, sitting on clouds, playing harps.

Kryten: But of course you do! For is it not written in the electronic bible, "The Iron shall lie down with the lamp." It's common sense sir, if there weren't a better life to look forward to, why on earth would machines spend the whole of there lives serving human kind? - Now that would be really dumb!

Lister : Yeah it makes sense. Yeah. Silicon Heaven(!)

Kryten: Don't be sad, Mr David sir. I am going to a far, far better place.

Lister: Just out of interest, is Silicon Heaven the same place as human Heaven?

Kryten: Human Heaven? Goodness me! *laughs* Humans don't go to Heaven! No no, someone just made that up to prevent you from all going nuts!

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From Newsbiscuit

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Newsbiskit "may be news before it happens".....

Try this for Catholic Christians in surviving Hiroshima.... supposedly they did and the building they were in, although the church itself was destroyed and later rebuilt....

"Father Hubert Schiffer, born in Germany in 1915, was one of eight Jesuits who survived the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. He was only eight blocks away from ground zero when the explosion occurred. According to the account of Jesuit priest Fr. John Seimes, who had been on the outskirts of the city:
They were in their rooms at the Parish House—it was a quarter after eight, exactly the time when we had heard the explosion in Nagatsuke—when came the intense light and immediately thereafter the sound of breaking windows, walls and furniture. They were showered with glass splinters and fragments of wreckage. Father Schiffer was buried beneath a portion of a wall and suffered a severe head injury. The Father Superior received most of the splinters in his back and lower extremity from which he bled copiously. Everything was thrown about in the rooms themselves, but the wooden framework of the house remained intact.

Another account adds that he had just finished saying Mass, and had gone to eat breakfast when the bomb hit:

Suddenly, a terrific explosion filled the air with one bursting thunderstroke. An invisible force lifted me from the chair, hurled me through the air, shook me, battered me, whirled me round and round like a leaf in a gust of autumn wind. He looked around, and there were no buildings left except for the church house."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Schiffer

http://www.pdtsigns.com/hirosh.html

This fella seems to rebut the whole story:

http://www.lazyboysreststop.com/mary25.htm

His..."BOTTOM LINE: The miracles of priests and buildings that came through the atomic bombing of Hiroshima unharmed – whether attributed to the Rosary, Fatima or Our Lady of Blessed Mendacity – are urban legends. They are the imaginings of people so eager to promote the cult of Marianism that they are willing to weave accounts of miraculous events out of whole cloth. Foolish indeed are they who pay heed to false teachers and false prophets."

And finally, it does seem that a Christian Church remains in the city:

"The Memorial Cathedral for World Peace was built in 1954 by Reverend Hugo Lassalle, who's church was destroyed by the atomic bomb. He himself nearly died. He actually travelled to Vatican City to meet with the Pope and the Pope funded the building of his church in Hiroshima as a symbol of peace, hope, and love for the victims of Hiroshima, as well as the survivors. Pope John Paul II visited this church in 1981 and gave his famous Appeal for Peace."

http://www.nobori-cho-catholic.com/

For what it's worth.....I am CofE.......

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Now back on topic...not sure if there is a Christian variant....

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Making jokes like this is accurate barometer in determining the length of time people have lived in Canada.