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Old Jan 21st 2017, 12:47 pm
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Not unexpected, first executive order to start the process of doing away with the ACA in its current form.

Trump signs 1st executive order targeting Obamacare regulations - World - CBC News


If the US did pull out of NAFTA, how badly would that hurt Canada?

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Not unexpected, first executive order to start the process of doing away with the ACA in its current form.

Trump signs 1st executive order targeting Obamacare regulations - World - CBC News


If the US did pull out of NAFTA, how badly would that hurt Canada?
Well he still has the problem of reverting back to the FTA between Canada and the USA which is separate from NAFTA. Both countries will be hurt if he becomes too protectionist. Over 2.5 billion a day in trade crosses the US/Canada border daily. There are 35 states who rely a lot on the Canadian trade and have jobs related to it. How many Mericans work in Canada and vice versa Canadians in the USA.

NAFTA is over 20 years old and a lot has changed. Sure certain things can be tweaked, renegotiated etc but actually ripping it up I highly doubt it.

Its all what if what if and nothing has happened yet. Admittedly canada probably needs the US more than the US needs Canada but ask those 35 states Governors if they think canada is important and if they want NAFTA ripped up.
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Canada's financial relationship with the US will never be one of equality.
It's a bit like a small boy tied to an elephant. Every now and gain he's going to get s**t on and has to clean it up. Somehow he never seems to move fast enough or get up high enough to return the complement.
The obvious answer is to stop following, but that bit of string.. well it's too bloody strong for a small boy... but perhaps when he grows up, who knows.
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Do folks really think there is any hope left for Canadian economy?

In the forseeable future, Canada is not a place folks should be emigrating to
In the interest of being optimistic (in a DaVinci Code kind of way) ...

Trump has mostly pointed his trade rhetoric at China and Mexico, two nations whom his supporters believe are responsible for the loss of large numbers of blue-collar jobs in the United States. That trade rhetoric, coupled with foreign policy positions for each country (Mexican immigration, One China policy) is likely to lead anywhere from trade disruptions to full out trade war. While it's been said that, in a trade war, neither country really wins, if you're in trade wars with your #1 and #3 trading partner (based on 2016 numbers), that axiom won't apply. If you add in trade issues with your #2 trade partner (Canada), none of Trump's tweeting rhetoric will be able to hide the fact that the US is losing, and badly.


If you're a conspiracy theorist - with an increasing number of 'nationalist' type movements in countries around the world, the globalist elite will be looking to find a way to put a cork in those movements. With the election of Trump, who is far from an overwhelmingly popular candidate, they may have found their cork. By taking coordinated actions against the United States to reduce the US' prominence in the world, and/or diminish the United States, they may be able to gain the leverage to extinguish similar movements in other countries, because they can illustrate the impact that one election result for a nationalist can have on the prosperity and well-being of any country. It further helps that Trump has mused about some actions that would, in actuality, reduce the US' prominence in the world (leaving the WTO, leaving the UN etc), so the rest of the world isn't necessarily wresting the influence from the US, it's simply picking it up off the ground where the US left it.

Some of those actions could include preferentially increasing trade and investment in Canada over the US (since Canada currently has a globalist government)
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Probably not going to be the last lawsuit filed.

Ex-White House lawyers to sue Donald Trump over foreign payments to businesses - National | Globalnews.ca
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It's a bit like a small boy tied to an elephant....
Like this?

Soon to be member of The Monkees, Micky Dolenz in his early role as Corky, Circus Boy.

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Not quite.. elephant too small and boy too smart.
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The Obamas were a class act - intelligent, articulate, decent people.Trump is a loudmouthed,arrogant, vulgar bully. He is also stupid if he thinks that he can shut the media up or make them say only what he wants. This nonsense about calling blatant lies "alternative facts" has made him a laughing stock. He is already acting like a dictator and thinks he can simply trample on anyone who gets in his way or disagrees with him. Just hope that somebody can stand up and fight for Canada when Trump starts to rewrite NAFTA and gut Canada in the process. Trudeau is a weakling. I hope the female cabinet minister in charge of this portfolio will have a lot more backbone.
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Just have to hope that in 1,380 days the voters will say your fired to Trump.

and in 652 days democrats can take control over the House of Representatives and senate.
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How did he manage to convince the people that he was one of them?
You would be surprised how many people in rural Alberta sympathise with Trump and support his "back to basics" blue collar rhetoric, as deeply flawed as it may be. I had a fairly frosty encounter with half the population of one of the FB local chat groups lol. They seem to admire his "tough-guy" talk. I refuse to believe all of those people re stupid. But on the other hand, i cannot fathom their faith that this guy is "one of them" when for decades he has publically enjoyed demonstrating his elitist tendencies, for example gold seat belts on his 757. If there was any doubt, the fact he just appointed most of Goldman Sachs to his cabinet, most of whom are either multi-millionaires or billionaires, should have confirmed it. Yet all he has to do is appear in public and mouth some working class crap and people seem to buy it.

In some ways you could say it was a perfect example of democracy in action (forgetting the whole electoral college thing), but the people that voted for him have voted in a bunch of folks hell-bent on dismantling any kind of public sector social support...ironically they are the people likely to be needing it most.
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Its all what if what if and nothing has happened yet. Admittedly canada probably needs the US more than the US needs Canada but ask those 35 states Governors if they think canada is important and if they want NAFTA ripped up.
Agreed, as with so much of Trump, nothing is seen in action yet. The worrying part is not Trump who is just the loudmouth, i am more concerned with the people like Stephen Bannon and the advisors advising him, most of whom are ultra right-wing.
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You would be surprised how many people in rural Alberta sympathise with Trump and support his "back to basics" blue collar rhetoric, as deeply flawed as it may be.
I'm not surprised.

Trump might look, from the point of view of a comfortable liberal, like a loose cannon and a renegade.. but from the point of view of someone who isn't comfortable and who's witnessed and continues to witness the political and wealthy classes feathering their nests, often legally questionable, he represents a straw they are happy to grasp. Like he said, 'What the hell have you got to lose'.

What the establishment, including the mainstream media, have failed to grasp is that the more they try to highlight his perceived faults, the more his core support will stand by him. Trump understands this and deliberately plays to his audience. It's a little like a parent laughing at a kid's tantrum, the kid just doesn't get it and his screams just get louder and louder to no effect.
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Just have to hope that in 1,380 days the voters will say your fired to Trump.

and in 652 days democrats can take control over the House of Representatives and senate.
The Democrats taking the Senate in 2018 isn't highly likely - of the 33 seats being elected, only 9 are currently held by Republicans. Most of those seats are in the southwest, so they're relatively safe. Of course, if President Snowflake takes a very tough approach to trade/immigration with Mexico, those states stand to be impacted the most, although I'm not sure the impacts of any trade decisions will be seen at that point (barring a trade war).

Republicans have been voicing their optimism about being able to attain 60 Senate seats after the 2018 election, since 10 out of the 23 seats that are held by Democrat incumbents are in states that were won by Trump. Flipping those seats to Republican however may become a challenge, because Republicans can't point towards Clinton as a reason to vote Republican, but Democrats can certainly point towards Trump as a reason to vote Democrat - especially if Trump maintains or diminishes his popularity.

I think that it's a big concern with Republican strategists - should Trump continue to incite controversy and opposition, will it keep voters engaged in the day-to-day 'scandals' such that it could impact their results in 2018 and 2020? Will it cause voters, who don't typically vote Democrat, or vote at all, to come out in significant numbers and unseat Republican incumbents?

For Trump supporters, even if he is successful in bringing back jobs to some states (remember that a large percentage of his supporters were either retired, or working prior to the election), will that jobs growth outweigh the impact that the Republican health care plan will have on peoples' wallets?
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For Trump supporters, even if he is successful in bringing back jobs to some states (remember that a large percentage of his supporters were either retired, or working prior to the election), will that jobs growth outweigh the impact that the Republican health care plan will have on peoples' wallets?
A interesting aspect of the Trump 'story' has been the antagonism and obstruction that he has encountered and continues to encourage, especially from the repubican side. In this respect it won't matter whether he's successful in any of his ventures or not, all that he needs to project is a well publicised programme that he's attempting these things. If he succeeds then he'll claim responsibility and if he fails he'll point to the existing establishment, especially from the majority republicans, as those who blocked him.

A win-win and who's to argue with him when he continues to attract so much 'bad' publicity. It's a lesson that Obama failed to learn and exploit.
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Originally Posted by dave_j View Post
A interesting aspect of the Trump 'story' has been the antagonism and obstruction that he has encountered and continues to encourage, especially from the repubican side. In this respect it won't matter whether he's successful in any of his ventures or not, all that he needs to project is a well publicised programme that he's attempting these things. If he succeeds then he'll claim responsibility and if he fails he'll point to the existing establishment, especially from the majority republicans, as those who blocked him.

A win-win and who's to argue with him when he continues to attract so much 'bad' publicity. It's a lesson that Obama failed to learn and exploit.
That's why I used the health care cost example - while it's relatively easy to use propaganda to trump-et misleading job creation data etc., with health care it becomes a harder sell, because people will actually see what that costs them. The 2018 election is on November 6, the window for purchasing health care for 2019 starts November 1, 2018.

I would agree hat he my try to pin the blame on others, but those 'others' are the people running for re-election in 2018. Trying to blame the Democrats, with Republican control of both the House and Senate won't fly, so the only choice is Republicans - which will simply splinter the Republicans even further.
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