Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13018695)

This simply isn't true. The Republicans and Conservatives have jumped into batshittery such that figures formerly considered hard right, such as Bush and Thatcher, now look like moderates, but no one else has moved. Kier Starmer isn't wildly left of Harold Wilson and Biden is just a whiter shade of Obama. The idea that the liberals of today are somehow extreme leftists is, itself, right wing propaganda.

My personal fave, AOC, espouses policies that would have made her a wet Tory in the Major era.

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 13019300)

In your opinion......... other's may believe differently..

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 13019308)

People can believe anything they choose but that doesn't make it fact. Can you demonstrate that the major liberal parties of today, the Democrats and the Labour party, take positions now that are substantially to the left of those taken by those parties in the past? One can easily demonstrate that the overt racism and suppression of women's rights espoused by the Republicans, and to a lesser extent, the Conservatives, of today are policies more regressive than those parties held twenty years ago. Arguably, someone like Paul Gosar is further to the right than any previous Republican.

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 13018943)

I get nearly all of my news from The Viz. It's old school I grant you but still the most objective and comprehensively researched.

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 13017915)

Over the last few years, I think the western world has gone crazy...the left and the right never seemed to be this way, but now many people get very personal and feel insulted if you have the opposite political view to them, why? this is a new thing, unheard of a few years ago, I can't keep up with the slang terms and names coming from both sides these days....its descended into a comedy show.

We don't get straight forward unbiased news reporting anymore from the media, we get left or right wing opinions, depending on what we watch/read, and this is the problem. I don't want opinions foisted upon me from media outlets, I just want the unbiased facts that remain in the context that they came from, not "selective reporting" laced with their opinion

So like you say its a case of having to watch/read both left and right wing news sources in order to establish your own opinion on world affairs and events, the main stream media now is a joke.

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 13019412)

The Russians.

Produce memes for the far right and put them on Facebook to sow division and hate and then they go viral.

The infiltration goes deeper to the point they even have posters on the Guardian.

The plan has been well executed and we now live in a split society of hate and name calling.

Genius.

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 13018948)

Thatcher was pro-EU. Cameron was just a posh wet who was scared/bullied into pandering to the extreme right just to avoid party conflict.But he allowed the extreme right to gain traction, and here we are... now in a situation where the previously batshit crazy are now mainstream. With their own TV channel where they can wail about how awful the normals are and calling anyone to the left of them Marxists.

The BBC *might* be a tad liberal, many would argue otherwise, but apart from the BBC, let's have a look at the UK national media and decide where the balance really lies:

Left/Liberal
Channel 4
The Guardian
The Observer
The Mirror
The Independent

Right/Conservative
The Times
The Sunday Times
The Telegraph
The Sunday Telegraph
The Daily Mail
The Sunday Mail
The Sun
The Sun on Sunday
The Express
The Sunday Express
ITV
GB News

That's just off the top of my head while I'm typing. Circulation/viewing wise, I'd estimate that the right have comfortably 75-85% of the total. That hardly warrants the position of being the "unheard forgotten voices" that GB News is portraying, is it? On the one hand they're claiming that a platform like GB News is necessary because they don't have a voice in the media, but on the other hand... Brexit!

Originally Posted by philat98 (Post 13019488)

Catnip for middle class pensioners according to the Express.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/14...C-news-itv-evg

Originally Posted by Revin Kevin (Post 13019478)

news on social media these days which if I had to categorise it I would say seems left leaning.

Originally Posted by kimilseung (Post 13019493)

What you get sent is a reflection of what you consume. Some people's feeds are going to be very right.