Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12001046)

Eh? What other issues?

The leave campaign was based on stopping the immigrants and taking all that money that goes to the EU and putting it into the NHS. Neither of which were serious possibilities but both of which tap into legitimate concerns and are easy to sell. Brilliant work by those who've since done a runner.

Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12001054)

Bottom line a second referendum isn't going to happen so the Remainers should put their energy into shaping the level of Brexit we end up going with two years from now.

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12000302)

I'm in Germany now (my second home), and I've brought up the subject frequently with the locals. My sense is that Germans seem a lot less interested in it than Brits are. Although they seem to be rather confused about the referendum, and especially the anti-EU and anti-everything vitriol that emulated from it.

Germans just don't fear EU membership like Brits do, and in fact widely embrace it. And they do seem to interpret Britain's anti-EU rhetoric as unwarranted fear, not some march toward "freedom and democracy" as often sold by the leave camp, simply because as an EU member, Germany is pretty free and democratic as it is. That whole argument just doesn't reckon with most Germans.

But there is some dissent about immigration - although it's exclusively directed toward refugees rather than EU migrants, a "crisis" which by comparison, Britain simply cannot lay claim to (yet clearly does, if you remember for example, Farage's infamous poster, and the constant stream of hysterical tabloid headlines).

Plus, overall, Germany has until now, done pretty well inside the EU. It's economically in good shape, and the vast majority of people live a pretty high standard. So it's all a bit confusing for them.

Most seem fully aware that Brexit hurts everyone, including Germany, but I sense the general feeling is that it hurts Britain the most, and because Britain brought this on itself, will need to sort it out itself. They seem to look at it as a British problem, and so there's not a lot of daily thought or discussion about it.

Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12001054)

...Even if some Leavers have changed their minds is it enough to change the result?

Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 12000302)

I'm in Germany now (my second home), and I've brought up the subject frequently with the locals. My sense is that Germans seem a lot less interested in it than Brits are. Although they seem to be rather confused about the referendum, and especially the anti-EU and anti-everything vitriol that emulated from it.

Germans just don't fear EU membership like Brits do, and in fact widely embrace it. And they do seem to interpret Britain's anti-EU rhetoric as unwarranted fear, not some march toward "freedom and democracy" as often sold by the leave camp, simply because as an EU member, Germany is pretty free and democratic as it is. That whole argument just doesn't reckon with most Germans.

But there is some dissent about immigration - although it's exclusively directed toward refugees rather than EU migrants, a "crisis" which by comparison, Britain simply cannot lay claim to (yet clearly does, if you remember for example, Farage's infamous poster, and the constant stream of hysterical tabloid headlines).

Plus, overall, Germany has until now, done pretty well inside the EU. It's economically in good shape, and the vast majority of people live a pretty high standard. So it's all a bit confusing for them.

Most seem fully aware that Brexit hurts everyone, including Germany, but I sense the general feeling is that it hurts Britain the most, and because Britain brought this on itself, will need to sort it out itself. They seem to look at it as a British problem, and so there's not a lot of daily thought or discussion about it.

Originally Posted by Snowy560 (Post 12001168)

Gosh. Didn't think that would happen.

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Oh I've just read it more carefully. There isn't going to be another ref on this issue.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12001464)

Probably not, but there's a certain symbolism to it. There's been quite a few politicians express caution on triggering Article 50 before we know what's on offer, and if the negotiated settlement is below expectation, perhaps the national mood will shift. It will be interesting to see who TM appoints as head of Brexit (possibly herself?) as that will give an indication on how committed the government is on following through.

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12001573)

As I said a few days ago, to much derision, TM sees the opportunity.....

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12001694)

Derision?

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12001735)

I'm greatly comforted to note your continued interest in my views

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12001573)

As I said a few days ago, to much derision, TM sees the opportunity and will be making a personal assessment of how to approach Brexit.

She is a politician. In so far as the outcome of any course of action will show TM to be the saviour of the nation then this course will be considered with approval. It will be interesting to see if she can step out of the political straightjacket and choose courses of action that do not compare her favourably with Boudicca or Elizabeth I.

But s**t happens, as DC found to his cost and his bid to become saviour of the nation is still in the balance, his destiny is now tied to how TM fares in the near future.