Election result
#181
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yeah but no but yeah but no but.... (further) thread drift alert.
Ed Miliband didn't get elected in large part because he was absolutely hopeless as a "retail politician." His voice, mannerisms, public speaking challenges, inability to eat a bacon butty - since the dawn of the TV age, never mind the age of Twitter and live streaming, it's been harder and harder for a politician to get away with not doing the glad-handing and off-the-cuff stuff well. Call-me-Dave might be odious, but he knows how to work a room.
Ed Miliband didn't get elected in large part because he was absolutely hopeless as a "retail politician." His voice, mannerisms, public speaking challenges, inability to eat a bacon butty - since the dawn of the TV age, never mind the age of Twitter and live streaming, it's been harder and harder for a politician to get away with not doing the glad-handing and off-the-cuff stuff well. Call-me-Dave might be odious, but he knows how to work a room.
Maybe Chuka Umunna could be that person, but he's another third way Red Tory/Blue Liberal and this isn't the time for him. He should be a shadow chancellor for a young, positive, modern shadow leader who is not scared to shout about inclusivity and look good doing it. A Justin Trudeau, actually! Or an Yvette Cooper without the Blairite baggage.
I really, really hope Trudeau's anti-austerity agenda doesn't crash and burn. I really don't think I can put up with any more divide and conquer politics.
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I see the Tories are now blaming the NDP for their loss. "The NDP lost control of its “change†message when it shifted into prime ministerial takeover mode and left the field open to Trudeau, and when that happened, Conservative prospects sank." (Ken Boessenkool)
Nothing to do with a cynical attempt to exploit Islamophibia. Nothing at all.
Nothing to do with a cynical attempt to exploit Islamophibia. Nothing at all.
#183
I consider Conservative, UKIP as far-right, Labour and Lib Dems as centre-right, SNP as centre, Greens as centre-left and Respect as far-left.
Actually, quite close to what's shown here: The Political Compass
Just because we're living in a generation where the "centre" is moving relentlessly to the right, doesn't mean we should temper our language to hide or moderate the real far-right politics that is Cameron/Osborne/IDS Conservatism.
Actually, quite close to what's shown here: The Political Compass
Just because we're living in a generation where the "centre" is moving relentlessly to the right, doesn't mean we should temper our language to hide or moderate the real far-right politics that is Cameron/Osborne/IDS Conservatism.
Heart on the left, head on the right: the contradictions inside the SNP
#184
I see the Tories are now blaming the NDP for their loss. "The NDP lost control of its “change†message when it shifted into prime ministerial takeover mode and left the field open to Trudeau, and when that happened, Conservative prospects sank." (Ken Boessenkool)
Nothing to do with a cynical attempt to exploit Islamophibia. Nothing at all.
Nothing to do with a cynical attempt to exploit Islamophibia. Nothing at all.
Jim Prentice 100-1
Jason Kenney Evens
Paul Polivere 10000-1
Does anybody remember David Orchard who had the honour of being the first person stabbed in the back by the recently deposed Satan?
I'll go with a million to one, but the poor sod deserves it.
#185
I suppose now would be a good time to speculate on Harper's successor.
Jim Prentice 100-1
Jason Kenney Evens
Paul Polivere 10000-1
Does anybody remember David Orchard who had the honour of being the first person stabbed in the back by the recently deposed Satan?
I'll go with a million to one, but the poor sod deserves it.
Jim Prentice 100-1
Jason Kenney Evens
Paul Polivere 10000-1
Does anybody remember David Orchard who had the honour of being the first person stabbed in the back by the recently deposed Satan?
I'll go with a million to one, but the poor sod deserves it.
How about Tony Clement? Can he overcome the G20 capital investment scandal (how many $million for 'border security measures' in a constituency a couple hundred miles from the US border?)? Or Maxime Bernier - although his habit of leaving sensitive documents in the home of his unsuitable girlfriend might be a hindrance...
Lisa Raitt's name has been bandied around, too - I don't know enough about her personal politics, but she did a reasonable job as transport minister, handling the aftermath of Lac-Megantic quite well, despite the fact that she doesn't speak French. She might have time to learn enough French to get by on the national stage if the interim leader is in place for long enough.
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I suppose now would be a good time to speculate on Harper's successor.
Jim Prentice 100-1
Jason Kenney Evens
Paul Polivere 10000-1
Does anybody remember David Orchard who had the honour of being the first person stabbed in the back by the recently deposed Satan?
I'll go with a million to one, but the poor sod deserves it.
Jim Prentice 100-1
Jason Kenney Evens
Paul Polivere 10000-1
Does anybody remember David Orchard who had the honour of being the first person stabbed in the back by the recently deposed Satan?
I'll go with a million to one, but the poor sod deserves it.
How about MacKay? I could see him making a come back.
Last edited by Tinpusher63; Oct 21st 2015 at 10:45 am.
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I suppose now would be a good time to speculate on Harper's successor.
Jim Prentice 100-1
Jason Kenney Evens
Paul Polivere 10000-1
Does anybody remember David Orchard who had the honour of being the first person stabbed in the back by the recently deposed Satan?
I'll go with a million to one, but the poor sod deserves it.
Jim Prentice 100-1
Jason Kenney Evens
Paul Polivere 10000-1
Does anybody remember David Orchard who had the honour of being the first person stabbed in the back by the recently deposed Satan?
I'll go with a million to one, but the poor sod deserves it.
“The instant response was, ‘Well who am I voting for then? Am I voting for Jason Kenney because then I’m definitely not voting Conservative and I’m definitely not supporting your campaign,’ †said another Conservative source who also spoke on condition of anonymity."
At least someone there has some sense. I will not take you up on evens. I bet there will be several ex-cabinet ministers who will decide spending more time with their families is not all that it is cracked up to be.
#188
I don't think he is particularly right wing although the usual suspects love to characterize him as such. He had a sort of Toad of Toad Hall image though (I remember him driving his vintage green sports car with goggles on etc) but didn't have the personality to carry it of in the way someone like Alan Clarke could. He was the quiet man etc. Utterly unelectable and doomed to fail against Blair who probably couldn't believe his luck.
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I also heard a report that Brad Wall has signed up for a French immersion course.
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There again if he gets defeated then that French course might come in useful
#191
We'll see. It can't be worse than this A chance to get science right
“I said ‘Justin, stop it,’†Suzuki told CBC. “‘You’re just being political. I know that you want to make headway in Alberta so you’re for the continued development of the tar sands, you’re for the Keystone pipeline, but you’re against the Northern Gateway [pipeline]. You’re all over the damn map!’â€
In Suzuki’s version of the conversation, Trudeau did not appreciate the critique or hearing that keeping warming to 2C, the internationally agreed goal of the climate talks, would mean that 80% of the crude in the tar sands would have to stay in the ground.
JT playing politics with science of course not....
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I don't think he is particularly right wing although the usual suspects love to characterize him as such. He had a sort of Toad of Toad Hall image though (I remember him driving his vintage green sports car with goggles on etc) but didn't have the personality to carry it of in the way someone like Alan Clarke could. He was the quiet man etc. Utterly unelectable and doomed to fail against Blair who probably couldn't believe his luck.
#193
In the membership vote IDS easily won.
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Ken Clarke was the moderate candidate and was rejected for being to lefty and pro europe.
Portillo had his chances scuppered by Tebbit talking about family men.
IDS was the only palatable candidate to the right wing base that remained in the party after New Labour came to power.
#195
I see the Tories are now blaming the NDP for their loss. "The NDP lost control of its “change†message when it shifted into prime ministerial takeover mode and left the field open to Trudeau, and when that happened, Conservative prospects sank." (Ken Boessenkool)
Nothing to do with a cynical attempt to exploit Islamophibia. Nothing at all.
Nothing to do with a cynical attempt to exploit Islamophibia. Nothing at all.
Personally I thought it was bonkers for them to hope for that, but it was clear from their Liberal bashing and virtually ignoring the NDP that was the strategy they were going for.



