Election result
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As you say, the ridiculously long campaign worked against them in the end.
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That said, he's not, and never will be, anywhere near his dad's calibre. I suspect a lot of us will be moaning, groaning & bitching soon. It was more an anti-Harper vote than a pro-Liberal one.
#144
when it talks about what a politician or his/her party will do if they win power, rather than talking ad-hominem about why the public shouldn't vote for the other guy. I'd have thought that is a fairly elementary question.
Somewhere in the middle, of course, there's the negative campaign ad that puts down the other party's policies but doesn't actually stray into belittling its leader. Those have been around for decades.
Nobody can deny that attack ads are effective (they absolutely scuppered Stephane Dion and Michael Ignatieff before their campaigns had even got off the ground). Of course, that might have some unintended consequences: I'd love to see an analysis of how much the anti-Ignatieff campaign helped Jack Layton to build the NDP's Orange Wave through Quebec in the 2011 election. That doesn't mean they are any less despicable as a political campaign tool.
In UK terms, it's the difference between the sharp-but-acceptable "Labour isn't working" ad in 1979 and the "demon eyes" image in the "New Labour, New Danger" ad that was deemed unacceptable by the ASA (before they abrogated responsibility for political advertising altogether).
Somewhere in the middle, of course, there's the negative campaign ad that puts down the other party's policies but doesn't actually stray into belittling its leader. Those have been around for decades.
Nobody can deny that attack ads are effective (they absolutely scuppered Stephane Dion and Michael Ignatieff before their campaigns had even got off the ground). Of course, that might have some unintended consequences: I'd love to see an analysis of how much the anti-Ignatieff campaign helped Jack Layton to build the NDP's Orange Wave through Quebec in the 2011 election. That doesn't mean they are any less despicable as a political campaign tool.
In UK terms, it's the difference between the sharp-but-acceptable "Labour isn't working" ad in 1979 and the "demon eyes" image in the "New Labour, New Danger" ad that was deemed unacceptable by the ASA (before they abrogated responsibility for political advertising altogether).
#145
I don't think it's the beard- loads of Canadians in polite places seem to wear them. I think its the conservative attack ads may have united everyone behind Trudeau.
After Harper this can only improve Canada's international standing. Not invading anywhere would be a great start.
After Harper this can only improve Canada's international standing. Not invading anywhere would be a great start.
#146
But on the plus side, folks will soon be able to rob their RRSP even more to buy that dream home. That should make Toronto and Vancouver more affordable
#147
when it talks about what a politician or his/her party will do if they win power, rather than talking ad-hominem about why the public shouldn't vote for the other guy. I'd have thought that is a fairly elementary question.
Somewhere in the middle, of course, there's the negative campaign ad that puts down the other party's policies but doesn't actually stray into belittling its leader. Those have been around for decades.
Nobody can deny that attack ads are effective (they absolutely scuppered Stephane Dion and Michael Ignatieff before their campaigns had even got off the ground). Of course, that might have some unintended consequences: I'd love to see an analysis of how much the anti-Ignatieff campaign helped Jack Layton to build the NDP's Orange Wave through Quebec in the 2011 election. That doesn't mean they are any less despicable as a political campaign tool.
In UK terms, it's the difference between the sharp-but-acceptable "Labour isn't working" ad in 1979 and the "demon eyes" image in the "New Labour, New Danger" ad that was deemed unacceptable by the ASA (before they abrogated responsibility for political advertising altogether).
Somewhere in the middle, of course, there's the negative campaign ad that puts down the other party's policies but doesn't actually stray into belittling its leader. Those have been around for decades.
Nobody can deny that attack ads are effective (they absolutely scuppered Stephane Dion and Michael Ignatieff before their campaigns had even got off the ground). Of course, that might have some unintended consequences: I'd love to see an analysis of how much the anti-Ignatieff campaign helped Jack Layton to build the NDP's Orange Wave through Quebec in the 2011 election. That doesn't mean they are any less despicable as a political campaign tool.
In UK terms, it's the difference between the sharp-but-acceptable "Labour isn't working" ad in 1979 and the "demon eyes" image in the "New Labour, New Danger" ad that was deemed unacceptable by the ASA (before they abrogated responsibility for political advertising altogether).
As I have said before, relying upon the electorate to make informed decisions about which candidate they should vote for is a complete waste of time. They don't vote for candidates anymore but leaders of parties and IMVHO, this is nonsense. Take the parties' name off the ballet and require the electorate to at least do a minimal amount of research before they mark their paper, failing which, let's have a "Canadian PM" reality type show where they can vote for people in a way similar to Canadian Idol.
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My apologies. I didn't think that anyone would take my question seriously.
As I have said before, relying upon the electorate to make informed decisions about which candidate they should vote for is a complete waste of time. They don't vote for candidates anymore but leaders of parties and IMVHO, this is nonsense. Take the parties' name off the ballet and require the electorate to at least do a minimal amount of research before they mark their paper, failing which, let's have a "Canadian PM" reality type show where they can vote for people in a way similar to Canadian Idol.
As I have said before, relying upon the electorate to make informed decisions about which candidate they should vote for is a complete waste of time. They don't vote for candidates anymore but leaders of parties and IMVHO, this is nonsense. Take the parties' name off the ballet and require the electorate to at least do a minimal amount of research before they mark their paper, failing which, let's have a "Canadian PM" reality type show where they can vote for people in a way similar to Canadian Idol.
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#149
Funny story on radio today
Lady said she was at the poll station and a 18-20 yr old male asked why Justin T name was not on his ballot paper he was handed ?
Lady said she was at the poll station and a 18-20 yr old male asked why Justin T name was not on his ballot paper he was handed ?
#150
It's not nonsense. The leader sets the direction and tone for the next government and MP's who are members of the same party will generally have the same views; are you suggesting that people are stupid for simply voting on who they would prefer to be the one doing this?
If the goal is to appoint a "national leader" then why not implement proportional representation on a national level and permit the leaders to then appoint members of their party to parliament based upon the number of votes they received (35% of the vote = 35% of the members) and simply do away with the "local" representatives?
This is purely a personal issue for me but, if I had voted, I would want to vote for an individual that had the balls to vote independently of the whip if members of his/her electorate wanted them to do so.
A house full of independents would be bliss. Nothing would get done but, one assumes, only sensible laws/budgets would be passed. Having to convince others each time one wishes to do something is far more onerous that having to convince others once every term and would ensure far more accountability than the present system does.



