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Are you out of country or just Province? You can use another Province's health card in BC

Borderline personality disorder is a legitimate, recognized mental disorder that involves long-standing and negative patterns of behavior that cause a person great distress. People with BPD need help as much as the person with depression, bipolar disorder or anxiety. But they’re not getting it because they are being discriminated against by therapists who simply don’t want to deal with the time and hassle of someone with BPD.


"For example, a recent study of 710 mental health professionals (psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers, and nurses) found that many psychiatrists held negative attitudes toward patients with BPD and reported being “less likely to hospitalize a patient with BPD than a patient with major depressive disorder.”2"



There may be no other psychiatric diagnosis more laden with stereotypes and stigma than Borderline Personality Disorder. People who live with this label — the majority being female — often have problems accessing good mental health services. (1) Unlike the stigmatization that society puts on mental illness, the stigma associated with BPD often comes from mental health professionals and their patronizing attitudes.



One major challenge: finding effective treatment Despite these reasons for hope, one major challenge facing BPD sufferers and their loved ones is that effective treatments are often hard to find and access. DBT has been around since the early 1990s, and yet, there are few DBT programs in B.C. - See more at: Borderline Personality Disorder: Fact and Fiction | Here to Help


People with BPD are among the most intensely suffering groups in the mental health community. They need compassion, understanding and help. Therefore, I urge readers to put aside biases and assumptions about those with BPD, figure out how you can help, listen and react to people with BPD with an open mind, and reach out to do what you can. - See more at: http://www.heretohelp.bc.ca/visions/....PEEGrUGG.dpuf


Maybe this will help people understand why and just how hard it is to get the treatment one needs.


The reason I am so desperate to live in Vancouver, is because VGH has a DBT program, however to access it one must live in Vancouver. That is why I put down pretty much every other region in BC, the services I need are in Vancouver, but the issue is, we cannot afford Vancouver so its very frustrating knowing there is help, but only if you can afford to live in Vancouver, and it has to be the City of Vancouver, not a suburb like Burnaby or Richmond.

There is also a program (well last I knew) in Victoria, but same thing have to live in Victoria.

This is why our mental health system is so bad, it discriminates against you based on where you live.

Imagine if someone living in Hope had cancer, and they were told, your community doesn't have treatment, but Abbotsford does, but you have to live there to access it,. But yet its perfectly acceptable apparently to deny someone mental health treatment based on where they live.

If the professionals stigmatize those with borderline and ignore our pleas for help, how the hell are we supposed to ever get better and get the help me need?

Especially when the medical system refuses to cover the treatment, and even in the private sector there is so little help as well, making waits long, and the cost of treatment pricey.

Exactly what are people like me supposed to do?

You'll have figure out your options and priorities. I appreciate none are terribly palatable but the reality is, you'll either be able to access treatment or not. And if not, you’ll just have to try and live with the repercussions and ameliorate the harmful effects as best as possible. its rubbish, it's the reality you unfortunately have to live with.

I see myself dead at some point if I don't get the help I need, sad but true, but we can't qualify for a loan so I can pay at the private place, and we can't afford rent in Vancouver where there is a program covered by MSP, and so pretty much out of any and all options at this point.


Doc and others like to say I haven't tried, but I don't know how to overcome these issues on my own, hence why its gotten this bad, and I don't know how to break down the money hurdle to pay for it, when I am not even capable of working at the moment because I am not stable enough, and as said before there is no loan option to get the money needed, family can't or is not willing to help, so at this point in time, there really are no options from what I can see.

Same reason why Sun Peaks can't work, if I wasn't in need of mental health treatment for borderline, it would be fine living there, but moving there would accomplish nothing as I still would not have access to any help.


Priority is for me to have treatment, but the issue is money, we don't have the ability to cover it out of pocket at the private places.

Rent in City of Vancouver exceeds what we can afford.


This is pretty much par for the course when we did try to relocate to Vancouver before coming to Chilliwack. But at the time we had to move we couldn't find anything in our price range, seems today there is 1 in our price range.


It's just a farce when the mental health people and books tell you to ask for help, doesn't do anything, and what it should say is ask for help if you have an easily treated mental condition we can shove pills at.

My BIL is a retired epidemiologist. He tells me that whilst nearly all men die with prostate cancer very few die of it. Both in terms of general health outcomes and costs to the medical system it is better not to make the test available.

To discourage people who live (and pay taxes?) elsewhere popping back to BC for free expensive medical treatment. I am not suggesting you would do that, but you did ask.

Lots of DBT therapist options in Kamloops: https://therapists.psychologytoday.c...te=BC&spec=488 You'll have to check and see if they offer treatment covered by MSP.

1.If the test is considered ineffective then why doctors prescribe it...are they making money from the pharmaceuticul companies for a product they admit doesn't work...imo...that's a criminal offense.

2. I live abroad (snowbird) for up to 6 months, sometimes longer...but I still file for taxes Federal and BC...so why I'm not eligible until after I return and spend 90 days in province before being revalidated?
In addition to freeing up the MSP, by not being around, I'm still a member and shouldn't be penalised by this 90 day wait.

I have loads of snowbirds as patients who are ok, they head off for 6 months, presumably they are paying their monthly premiums on direct debit, would you be prepared to do this? That should work

I thought I'd explained in post 268. The benefits vs downsides haven't been proven . They've learned from screening mammo programmes that not all screening is beneficial, some think it causes more harm than good.

For OHIP it's more than 5 months out of province and you lose eligibility.

I don't think it is ineffective in detecting the risk*. It is too effective. It is detecting the risk in men who do not, and never will, have a fatal cancer. These men then have unnecessary surgery. The surgeries costs money that could be used more effectively elsewhere in the health system.

In any surgery there is a risk of adverse health outcomes. The epidemiologists conclude that the benefit of the surgery to the men who need it is outweighed by the adverse health consequences to the men who do not.

Obviously, not good for a man who does have a fatal cancer that is not detected.

Edit: screening for prostate cancer. I am not arguing with bats.

I'll look. I did a bit last night but they all seemed to not offer a full program and just individual but I'll take a look again.

MSP doesn't cover any psychological services or counselors.

Why should a person, fully paid up into the system, who leaves his province for a certain amount of time, need to wait 90 days (or otherwise depending on the province) after his return, to regain his rightful membership of any MSP in Canada?

Let me just ask this.

What do people expect those with severe mental health disorder to do when they cannot afford the prices charged?


Have to keep in mind, I am currently unable to hold employment.

If we are talking BC, do you take a break in premiums when you are away? They pick up on that right away. I'm not sure how much you would pay per month but would it be better to keep these payments going? They aren't to know that you are away.. p.plenty of my patients are away for 5-6/12