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Old Apr 7th 2011 | 3:48 am
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...and

4) Isn't it true that the Tory's try at repealing public funding of parties and election campaigns was a cynical attempt to cripple the opposition parties?
 
Old Apr 7th 2011 | 6:33 am
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Originally Posted by iaink
Three questions for you, yes or no ones.

1. Does political advertising work to influence some people to vote in a way they might not otherwise?
Yes

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2. Does having a larger amount of money available to spend mean you can buy more advertising, and therefore influence more voters?
Buy more advertising: Yes. Influence more voters: Only if the message is in line with what those voters believe. No amount of messaging would appear to be capable of, for example, persuading Novo to vote for that nice Mr. Harper

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3. If Q1&2 are "yes" isnt it true that corporation contributions that swell party coffers are influencing people to vote in a way that may be in the best interests of the corparations, rather than what they would do for themselves if they stopped to consider the options?
I don't know. It would depend upon the message being put forward. See the second part of the answer to 2
 
Old Apr 7th 2011 | 6:35 am
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
...and

4) Isn't it true that the Tory's try at repealing public funding of parties and election campaigns was a cynical attempt to cripple the opposition parties?
Shouldn't it be Tories' or is Mr. Haper really the only one?
 
Old Apr 7th 2011 | 6:38 am
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Gutter journalism: http://www.torontosun.com/news/canad.../17901301.html

She's a damn furrener, that Mrs Iggy. Shouldn't be allowed. Send 'em all home. Etc.
 
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
Shouldn't it be Tories' or is Mr. Haper really the only one?
Yes, it should, thank you. But shouldn't it be "Harper"?

And your answer to the question is...?
 
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
Gutter journalism: http://www.torontosun.com/news/canad.../17901301.html

She's a damn furrener, that Mrs Iggy. Shouldn't be allowed. Send 'em all home. Etc.
Jeez, you can rely on the Sun to find the moral low ground, can't you?
 
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
Yes, it should, thank you. But shouldn't it be "Harper"?

And your answer to the question is...?
Sh*t, *****, bug*er, w*nk, p*ss. I had Novo on the ropes only for him to be saved by the bell.

The answer is, of course, Yes
 
Old Apr 7th 2011 | 9:36 am
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...and

4) Isn't it true that the Tory's try at repealing public funding of parties and election campaigns was a cynical attempt to cripple the opposition parties?
And? Pressumably it was introduced by a liberal majority government in a cynical attempt to use the taxpayer to offset the liberal party failure to attract sufficient funding.
 
Old Apr 7th 2011 | 9:56 am
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Sh*t, *****, bug*er, w*nk, p*ss. I had Novo on the ropes only for him to be saved by the bell.

The answer is, of course, Yes
Gobsmacked. welcome back from the Darkside.

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And? Pressumably it was introduced by a liberal majority government in a cynical attempt to use the taxpayer to offset the liberal party failure to attract sufficient funding.
My friend, that's not even funny. Please look south to discover what happens to a political system which fails to regulate corporate financing of election campaigns.

The public funding introduced by the Chretien government was likely its single most important contribution to the maintenance of a semblance of democracy in Canada.

And yes, I do feel that strongly about it.
 
Old Apr 7th 2011 | 10:25 am
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Gobsmacked. welcome back from the Darkside.
I do believe that is a bit strong; I am not on any side even though I live in Alberta.


Originally Posted by Novocastrian
My friend, that's not even funny. Please look south to discover what happens to a political system which fails to regulate corporate financing of election campaigns.

The public funding introduced by the Chretien government was likely its single most important contribution to the maintenance of a semblance of democracy in Canada.

And yes, I do feel that strongly about it.
Which corporations did Obama whore himself to, which did Clinton or does this only apply to right wing Presidents?

As I have said before, anyone that looks to the south of Canada to gain insight as to how things should be done is nuts.
 
Old Apr 7th 2011 | 10:46 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
Which corporations did Obama whore himself to, which did Clinton or does this only apply to right wing Presidents?
No idea on Obama or Clinton, but certainly the democrats down there are in general no better than the Repugnants at the congressional and senatorial levels.

As I have said before, anyone that looks to the south of Canada to gain insight as to how things should be done is nuts.
So, despite your sidelessness, we agree that Harper is nuts.
 
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
Gobsmacked. welcome back from the Darkside.



My friend, that's not even funny. Please look south to discover what happens to a political system which fails to regulate corporate financing of election campaigns.

The public funding introduced by the Chretien government was likely its single most important contribution to the maintenance of a semblance of democracy in Canada.

And yes, I do feel that strongly about it.
Do all parties that receive votes receive the money or is it just a select few? Was it St Cretien who introduced it?

There are other ways to regulate corporate donations it doesn't have to be taxpayer funding.

How are union donations treated in Canada? Are they considered a single donation from each union or multiple small donations from each member. Does each member have to give their consent to a political donation. The self interest of a union donation is no less blatent than that of a corporate donation.

In the USA the corporations hedge their bets by contributing to both parties so it doesn't matter who wins - don't they?

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Old Apr 7th 2011 | 11:24 am
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Originally Posted by jimf
Do all parties that receive votes receive the money or is it just a select few? Was it St Cretien who introduced it?
Yes. There may be some threshold number of ridings in which candidates are named, but I don't think so. I'd have to google.

Yes, it was Jean Chretien, who indeed had a Catholic upbringing, but has not yet been beatified.

There are other ways to regulate corporate donations it doesn't have to be taxpayer funding.
Yes there are. On Iain's island I believe it would be small (how small, I wonder?) contributions from private individuals. Under Canadian law the limit is $1000. Which group of punters can more afford to cough up $1000 do you think?

How are union donations treated in Canada? Are they considered a single donation from each union or multiple small donations from each member. Does each member have to give their consent to a political donation. The self interest of a union donation is no less blatent than that of a corporate donation.
Under Canadian law corporations and unions are treated exactly the same in this respect.

In the USA the corporations hedge their bets by contributing to both parties so it doesn't matter who wins - don't they?
I wouldn't be surprised. The system down there is totally corrupt.

Edit: Since there is clearly a lot of ignorance on this subject among recent immigrants, here is a link to a cbc backgrounder on the issue.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cd...ributions.html

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Old Apr 7th 2011 | 11:32 am
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
So, despite your sidelessness, we agree that Harper is nuts.
If all his ideas come from the US, of course he is. I have no idea.
 
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
Yes, it was Jean Chretien, who indeed had a Catholic upbringing, but has not yet been beatified.
So let me get this right. After completely stuffing the conservatives in the early 90s the liberals with a massive majority thought that democracy was under threat so legalised taxpayer funding of politics.

He'd get beatified in Alberta alright.
 


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