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peas May 25th 2011 2:48 am
Re: Crime in your area
 
Originally Posted by magnumpi (Post 9386982)
Has anyone come across any crime in their area of choice??
Victoria, BC (Downtown, Rockland, Cook St. Village and James Bay over many years):
  • I've had two bicycles stolen - both were shite so I didn't really care.
  • Had a bike seat stolen. Pain in the ass.
  • I've been flashed numerous times - I don't report it. I just point and laugh. Loudly.
  • I had underwear stolen from my washing when I lived in a building with a common laundry room.
  • I once came home to find a neighbour in my home wearing my underwear. That was an awkward moment.:unsure:
  • I witnessed a B&E without realizing it, then when I did, had to be a witness in court.
  • Last summer, a man who had robbed a bank parked his stolen get-a-way vehicle in the parking area (huge carport) across the street from my condo. Set the car alight and fled. Resulting in a explosive fire that exploded 5 vehicles and destroyed another 16, plus the carport.
  • Our underground parking gets broken into once in a while with the last time being just 3 months ago.
  • My dad had a business that was broken into A LOT.
  • I once lived right beside a BMW (? maybe, I think) showroom and some broken into it and smashed up a lot of cars. I slept right through it. :D
  • I had the back tire stolen off my old beater Capri years ago with the rear axel left resting a stack of rocks. I thought that was pretty funny.
  • I had a salmon stolen off the BBQ. I think that was probably an eagle but still...
  • I had someone use my identity to obtain a lot of credit cards and max them out.
  • The owner of my favourite, local Korean restaurant went and killed his son, wife, inlaws and then himself... now the restaurant is a freakin' yoga studio and no more take-away, ffs. ;)

I'm sure there is more, but that's what comes to mind.

There is a lot of crime in Victoria compared to other Canadian cities... the closer the downtown core, the more there is. I have always lived quite central or right in downtown but I have never felt in danger.

iaink May 25th 2011 2:51 am
Re: Crime in your area
 
Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9387286)
You have to ignore it.

You can all think and perceive what you like - the actual reality is that crime rates here are more or less the same as in the UK. Obviously there is less crime in total because Canada has half the population of the UK.
That's nonsense, The impact of crime on "quality of life" is all about the perception.

Crime rates may or may not be similar, perhaps its more ghettoised here so it doesnt spill over into everyday life for most people, who knows. Statistics are tricky for crime, For example the argument has been made here before about how any sexual assault is categorised here and how charges are mandatory in Canada for example compared to elsewhere.

CANADIAN CARPERS May 25th 2011 2:53 am
Re: Crime in your area
 
Originally Posted by peas (Post 9387294)
Victoria, BC (Downtown, Rockland, Cook St. Village and James Bay over many years):
  • I've had two bicycles stolen - both were shite so I didn't really care.
  • Had a bike seat stolen. Pain in the ass.
  • I've been flashed numerous times - I don't report it. I just point and laugh. Loudly.
  • I had underwear stolen from my washing when I lived in a building with a common laundry room.
  • I once came home to find a neighbour in my home wearing my underwear. That was an awkward moment.:unsure:
  • I witnessed a B&E without realizing it, then when I did, had to be a witness in court.
  • Last summer, a man who had robbed a bank parked his stolen get-a-way vehicle in the parking area (huge carport) across the street from my condo. Set the car alight and fled. Resulting in a explosive fire that exploded 5 vehicles and destroyed another 16, plus the carport.
  • Our underground parking gets broken into once in a while with the last time being just 3 months ago.
  • My dad had a business that was broken into A LOT.
  • I once lived right beside a BMW (? maybe, I think) showroom and some broken into it and smashed up a lot of cars. I slept right through it. :D
  • I had the back tire stolen off my old beater Capri years ago with the rear axel left resting a stack of rocks. I thought that was pretty funny.
  • I had a salmon stolen off the BBQ. I think that was probably an eagle but still...
  • I had someone use my identity to obtain a lot of credit cards and max them out.
  • The owner of my favourite, local Korean restaurant went and killed his son, wife, inlaws and then himself... now the restaurant is a freakin' yoga studio and no more take-away, ffs. ;)

I'm sure there is more, but that's what comes to mind.

There is a lot of crime in Victoria compared to other Canadian cities... the closer the downtown core, the more there is. I have always lived quite central or right in downtown but I have never felt in danger.
Peas, check out of the window just incase you accidently moved to Liverpool :rofl:

Alan2005 May 25th 2011 2:53 am
Re: Crime in your area
 
Originally Posted by macadian (Post 9387270)
I would disagree...my own perceptions are based on my own personal experiences, both here and in the UK. Bugger all to to with the UK media....
Really? If I can manipulate you (and others) "fox news" style into this reaction by simply framing the debate a certain way then what makes you think the media can't do the same?

iaink May 25th 2011 2:54 am
Re: Crime in your area
 
Originally Posted by peas (Post 9387294)

There is a lot of crime in Victoria compared to other Canadian cities... the closer the downtown core, the more there is. I have always lived quite central or right in downtown but I have never felt in danger.
Blimey. All those bored retirees I bet.

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el_richo May 25th 2011 2:57 am
Re: Crime in your area
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9387243)
Well, not really. In the UK I knew many people who had been the victims of car crimes, vandalism, theft. Here I dont know any.

Im cynical enough to take the media with a pinch of salt, but personal experience is harder to ignore.
Didn't really experience crime, nor was i affected by it both in the UK and Canada.

However, when we first moved over we were advised by a few friends to avoid ground floor apartments near the downtown Vancouver area as "everybody they know who lives in one has been broken into".

I also know more people in Canada who have had their car broken into than in the UK (don't know anybody in the UK actually).

As for perception, i feel no differently between my little Yorkshire village, London UK, or Vancouver even though i hear of a LOT more shootings in the latter.

One other thing to bear in mind is that many people would choose to move to a nicer area so i imagine that would account for a lot.

peas May 25th 2011 3:01 am
Re: Crime in your area
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9387317)
Blimey. All those bored retirees I bet.
Oh yes! Every once in a while a cotton-top gets dinged with a DUI after causing havoc while on their mobility scooters. Damn pensioners!

Alan2005 May 25th 2011 3:04 am
Re: Crime in your area
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9387303)
That's nonsense, The impact of crime on "quality of life" is all about the perception.
Sure, and where does that come from?

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9387303)
Crime rates may or may not be similar, perhaps its more ghettoised here so it doesnt spill over into everyday life for most people, who knows.
And this is different from the UK how? I have never been a victim of crime, or even saw a crime in progress. I've seen more crime here - but my perception of crime is that it's the same.

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9387303)
For example the argument has been made here before about how any sexual assault is categorised here and how charges are mandatory in Canada for example compared to elsewhere.
You implying that Brits are bigger rapists than Canadians?

iaink May 25th 2011 3:11 am
Re: Crime in your area
 
Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9387346)
Sure, and where does that come from?


And this is different from the UK how? I have never been a victim of crime, or even saw a crime in progress. I've seen more crime here - but my perception of crime is that it's the same.


You implying that Brits are bigger rapists than Canadians?
It comes from my own experiences and those of my friends and neigbours

Its different from the UK in that IN MY EXPERIENCE (which is what magnumpi asked about if Im not mistaken) the crime in leeds 6 spilled over into the lives of my friends. Someone tried to nick my car there (or thought better of it while nicking it as it was a crap Fiat). Nothing like that has happened here.

No, Im saying the statistics for rape in Canada are high because any sexual assault is classed as rape here, and Im told charges are mandatory, so you cant make a valid comparison one way or the other based solely on the stats as its not a level playingfield.

But the main point is its largely how people FEEL about crime that matters, regardless of what the truth is.

Alan2005 May 25th 2011 3:14 am
Re: Crime in your area
 
Originally Posted by iaink (Post 9387357)
But the main point is its largely how people FEEL about crime that matters, regardless of what the truth is.
And my view is that people are more manipulated by the media than they like to think. Everyone wants to believe they are cynical and above such things, but the truth is that we are demonstrably not. Some, if not most, of their perception comes from this.

iaink May 25th 2011 3:17 am
Re: Crime in your area
 
Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9387365)
And my view is that people are more manipulated by the media than they like to think. Everyone wants to believe they are cynical and above such things, but the truth is that they are demonstrably not.
Yeah, Im absolutely paranoid about a colonel in the armed forces nicking my wifes underwear or strangeling her in my basement. After all the media was full of nothing but that for months here.:rolleyes:

Are you saying that for some reason the media here would report broken into cars, and the occasional mugging, but ignore all sorts of other crimes that would otherwise pad out the local news buletins? That seems unlikely. In the UK I know lots of cars were broken into, after all, my friends cars were broken into, so was my own. I also know no one bothered to put it on the radio news, and I presume its because it was so common an occurance it was not deemed newsworthy any more. In the same way people only reported petty crime to the police in order to make an insurance claim, and had no expectation of anyone being caught or charged over it.

Its a valid enough point to make that maybe people moving to canada are trading up into "nicer areas", but even in leafy stockbroker Surrey or Rural North Beds there is vandalism and theft, and there is none in my corner of Rural Ontario to speak of.

Please... dont tell me how I feel. I feel how I feel, you feel how you feel. Ive had my experiences, you have had yours. Let the reader decide the likely impact of crime on their life here.

magnumpi May 25th 2011 3:17 am
Re: Crime in your area
 
Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9387365)
And my view is that people are more manipulated by the media than they like to think. Everyone wants to believe they are cynical and above such things, but the truth is that they are demonstrably not. Some, if not most, of their perception comes from this.
No one will disagree with the way the media react to crime as they sex up the daily news.

Hence why i asked for crime that had efected you personally.

jericho May 25th 2011 3:18 am
Re: Crime in your area
 
Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9387346)
but my perception of crime is that it's the same.
This is always your problem Alan, in that you have a different opinion, so everyone is wrong.

Tangram May 25th 2011 3:18 am
Re: Crime in your area
 
Originally Posted by CANADIAN CARPERS (Post 9387313)
Peas, check out of the window just incase you accidently moved to Liverpool :rofl:
I find that offensive as a native of that city.

CANADIAN CARPERS May 25th 2011 3:25 am
Re: Crime in your area
 
Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 9387382)
I find that offensive as a native of that city.
Well spare a thought for me then, as I'm still here.


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