bc2015

IMO if you work in healthcare and refuse to take a free, safe, effective vaccine then you should be shown the door.

bats

Nosocomial. An infection acquired while receiving healthcare. That data and other related COVID conditions will be recorded by medical information staff, clinical coders, using ICD10 codes. So in theory he should know the real data, which is different to what he says of course

printer

But that is NOT the consensus of opinion Canada wide nor world wide. It may have seemed like a good idea but it's becoming more debatable now on the overall effectiveness of such a mandate. The end result is loss of qualified staff at a time when we cannot afford to lose them alongside staff sickness. It's clearly not black and white otherwise we would not see other provinces ruling this out.

BristolUK

True enough.
But over here we do have suspensions for doctors refusing the vax - currently 11 I think I read in CBC news.
And there was a survey recently with a majority in favour of fewer (or lifting?) restrictions but the result was reversed here. Maybe that's what a high death rate does.

printer

Agreed but when does it become acceptable to belittle and segregate a group of people in 2022? Clearly it is not acceptable if you are gay/lesbian, black, Asian, short, fat and any number of other reasons that often lead to being bullied or ostracized. We are getting to the stage where addressing someone as Mr or Mrs is seen as wrong by those that want to be seen as gender neutral. We are however ok to call out anyone who is unvaccinated and remove them from parts of society and even their job so long as we do it because of the virus and not because of their race or gender!

BristolUK

From day one I've said how lucky our household is - nobody in education - two on OAS so no threat to income, one never had any income so no income to lose and one other in work whose initial loss of income was more than made up by the government support payments.

Nevertheless, despite that luck my 83 year old MIL plus diabetic and chronic kidney disease me are at risk from a household member working in a public facing job where throughout the pandemic she has come home with tales of (Homesense) customers hugging each other, talking about their trips away and parties in defiance of advice, coming out shopping when they should be self isolating, not wearing masks properly/lack of social distancing and so on.
Aside from the initial 5 or 6 week lockdown her store - household goods, kitchen items, luxury knick-knacks - her store has been open throughout. That's an indication that for the most part, most people here have been able to get on with their lives most of the time but with some adjustments or measures to the way they did it.

There have been periods of school/uni closures but also periods where they've been open just as other measures have applied to select areas as and when special attention needed.

I can do what I can to minimise my risks and those of my MIL but my SD can't control her risk and that puts two of us at risk.

Danny B

This nightmare that we have all been living through will be over soon, people just need to take a chill pill and relax for a few more weeks and all these mandates will be lifted

we will all be able to see each other’s smile soon

bats

Theres doesnt seem to be much logic about reopening and what you can and cant do. The local sports place reopened so i went down today to use the machines. Heck, masks aren't obligatory, so you can huff and puff your way round breathing your festering microbes over everyone. I didn't stay long because of this and next time I'll wear an N95.

Danny B

Why are you worrying about a mask? I thought you already had COVID?

old.sparkles

Having one variant of COVID doesn't stop you catching another - there was a report early on of someone who died who had both Alpha and Beta at the same time.

Plenty of people have caught COVID more than once. Anecdotally I know a couple, but everyone must have read that Prince Charles has COVID again.

christmasoompa

Wearing a mask protects others more than oneself anyway, for me it's just polite and considerate to do so. If I see somebody wandering around a busy shop not wearing a mask, I'd view them the same way I'd view somebody walking around picking their nose or pushing past people without saying excuse me. I'd think they were just bloody rude.

Paul_Shepherd

Plus the mask does nothing to protect the wearer, its there more so to protect other people.

I think we should do a UK drop the all restrictions now. High time we moved on a start living with it. The restrictions are causing more of a problem than covid now.

BristolUK

Or dying with it as the case may be.

You may recall I posted that in January the UK had a daily death total on one day higher than any other single day since February 2021. It wasn't a freakishly high day, just the usual up and down. I'm fairly sure there were fewer and less strict measures this year than a year ago.

Boris "let the bodies pile high" has handled matters very poorly compared to many others and seems the last person to be making decisions.

But it's different from place to place. For most of the last two years people over here have been able to do what they normally do outside of small periodswhere they might not get to a gym for localised reasons but they could in a different are of the province. Or they might only be able to mix with "only" 20 people. Or eat out at 50% capacity (what a hardship for them) or restricted to take-out/delivery only for a bout 2 months over almost two years.

So that's where I live and where I used to live both with high current death rates for a supposedly non threatening variant and both with few, if any, restrictions or blasé attitudes, like not wearing masks in packed out football stadiums.

So no or few restrictions or measures seems to equate to dying with the virus (for some) rather than living with it.

What currently can you not do where you are?

BristolUK

So it's perfectly fair then. No actual unfair discrimination, just a consistent approach and a consequence for someone's individual action. Like punishing someone for law breaking.

Almost Canadian

My doctor has not been vaccinated. He has had, and recovered from, the virus and, as a result of that, believes that there is no benefit to him having the vaccine. He has a document to this effect posted on the entrance to his surgery and it indicates that he will refer anyone that doesn't want to risk seeing him to another doctor.

The science backs his position so why should he be shown the door?